JOE LOUIS-One of ten Greatest Boxers of All Time

Of course, but at heavyweight you don't rate their boxing ability highly.
You don't acknowledge the difference between heavyweights and, say, lightweights.

 

Yes. So heavyweights would usually rank lower. What's the problem with that? Why do I have to acknowledge the difference, and how?

 

Both!

The End

 

You're an expert on Philadelphia Jack O'Brien? Reports for how many of his fights have you found/read?

 

Joe Louis was picture perfect. His footwork was great and he was always balanced. He did not need to be overly defensive because no one in there right mind came after him hard. When they did they were sent to the canvas ruined.

But he had enough defense that was tailored to his style, which was to position his opponents in a way that they had no choice but to swing at him, which he would counter precisely.

 

I am not an expert. You are. Teach me why Jack is greater than Louis. I bet that you will come with everything but a straight reason for your belief. Here comes the sarcasm....Standing by.

 

Somehow I don't see picture-perfect fighters getting knocked down so easily and so many times and while they were not old yet. Same as I don't see Louis changing his style during the fight when something is not going right, to prove his cleverness.

I'm not here to educate others. If someone is knowledgeable enough, I'll gladly talk on him, his style and particular fights. Ie, if I have a chance to learn something new myself. Otherwise it's of no interest to me to spend my time. Say, the recent Risko-Tunney argument, I'm doing a series of write-ups for one Russian-speaking boxing forum about Tunney-Greb series, and I'm writing about Tunney's opponents, what were they like, and how their bout with Gene went, so what I copy/pasted about Risko I'm gonna use for my write-ups, even though I learned nothing new from others about him.

 

Not here to educate us?

That is where you are wrong Senya13. You are here to educate us even if it is indirectly. We are here to educate each other. Otherwise you would not be here, unless you were just a prideful person that just wants to show us all up with your Russian-speaking-boxing-forum Tunney-Greb etc. write-up. I trust that that is not the case. I believe that you do not think you are better than any of us...so we will disregard your preference on speaking to those that are "knowledgable enough" for you to talk with.

Joe Louis chin does not diminish his career accomplishment unless he is rated completely unfairly. Louis's 60-odd opponents had a much harder time adapting to him than he had with them...and they had a tougher time getting up once he put them down. If you were born in 1937, he ruled throughout your entire childhood, through WWII and nearly into the Cold War. That IMO is impressive and rarely matched in any sport.

Anyway, thank you for stopping by and not answering my question, but ignoring it all together, insulting me as not worth your time, and then bringing up a random Tunney-Greb convo that is suppose to impress me.

Stand up guys impress me.

 

True O about Louis not anxious to meet Melio Bettina a southpaw. I saw Melio Bettina make Jimmy Bivins look bad when they fought a draw in MSG
in the 1940s...And a prime Louis did not want to fight the light hitting slapper Maxie Rosenbloom in the late 1930s... They made everyone look bad...Styles, styles, styles...

 

He fought whoever was in front of him, but so did many other all-time greats. To favor Louis because he was a heavyweight, and thus limited in the level of his opposition, would mean to punish the great fighters below heavyweight, because they had much harder opposition to beat than had Louis.

 

Not going to do anything with such conduct of some people here. Those who ask me questions politely, usually get whatever information I can help them with. They also give a reason why they need my help, and are willing to give something in return, so that we both benefit from our exchange.

 

Brilliant boxer and probably the best HW. Combination puncher ever :good

 

He was knocked down only 5 times while he was not old. I'm sure it wasn't an easy thing to do.

Joe Louis has 3 losses on his record in total, 2 of them when he was old. There's perhaps 1 other fight he should have lost.
Oh, but he didn't "prove his cleverness".

 

This is nonsense. His opposition was good. The heavyweight division is a sufficiently populated division, a wide talent pool, certainly in the days when every man over 175 was a heavyweight. Over a 12 year period plenty of good fighters will come along in that weight range.

 

Do you ever wonder if it's easier to overrate fighters when you have a lots of written reports and little footage ?
How much of footage of O'Brien have you seen ?
Does he really look better than Joe Louis to you ?