The "All Things Mayweather/Pacquiao" Express!!!!!!

Floyd demands that he be tested like any normal sporting athlete! Terrible that

 

check post 366, you only posted urine.

 

Rip my **** up?

I didn't miss the point that you made in your previous post.

But it was totally unrealistic!

Manny was never going to say "I'll call you back" and he was never going to use it as a starting point.

How the f*ck could he have used it as a starting point?

You can't negotiate with a guy like that. It's impossible. The offer was treated like it was, which was a joke!


Manny agreed to be blood and urine tested, but he didn't agree to be randomly tested at any point, up until the day of the fight.

Everybody knows that Floyd wasn't bothered about any future opponents been tested, until his Daddy had made his comments in September 2009.

Floyd gave him a great cut off, in who's opinion?

Three of your points have already being covered, and so has the forth, but I'll try again.

Manny had every right to turn down Floyd's cut off, because it wasn't the one he was asking for.

If Floyd had've agreed 24 days, we may have seen the fight.

But Floyd wouldn't budge, and neither would Manny.

It was a stalemate.

But the following year, Manny was big enough to concede, in order to make the fight.

So again, there's no reason why Floyd couldn't have done the same thing.

Nobody made Floyd take a 15 month break after Mosley.

 

let me explain since you clearly don't know or understand as much as you think you do.

blood screening means they look for suspicious blood count levels. if hematocrit and/or hemoglobin are above normal levels, then they will test the urine for the presence of synthetic epo which causes hematocrit level to rise. in pac's case they don't have to ****in' screen his blood since they can just directly test his urine for the presence of synthetic epo. again, pac has always agreed to have his urine tested at anytime all the way to fight day. and again, the only accepted method in detecting the presence or use of synthetic epo is through urine testing.

you keep saying this micro dosing bull****...yet urine testing is what was used to pop all boxers that have used anabolic steroid or or synthetic testosterone. usada claims that were doing cir test way, way ****inn' back and they could have tested pac's urine via that method since he has always agreed to be urine tested.

this is my last response to any of your post....you clearly don't understand or know much on this topic to understand what i'm telling you.

 

Straw man?

You've been trying to use this as some sort of evidence for the last 6 months or so.

What Conte and Caitlin said were very interesting AT THE TIME, late 2009, to early 2010. But now they are completely irrelevant to this debate.

Because a hell of a lot has happened since then.

Originally, Floyd was happy to give Manny 14 days. So he obviously didn't think that Manny could use in that timeframe, otherwise he wouldn't have offered it.

At first Manny wouldn't agree, and Floyd wouldn't back down.

But the following year, Manny agreed, and then Floyd wanted a vacation.

Then again, last year, Manny agreed to everything.

But it still wasn't enough to satisfy Floyd.

 

It's been a great debate, and I've got some questions for you, if that's ok?

1. So, hypothetically, Manny could have used testosterone and EPO in a 14 day window, that WOULDN'T have shown up in an after fight blood and urine test?

2. What benefits would Manny have gained, by using for 2 weeks, out of a 9 week camp?

3. Would it have been worth the risk?

4. Do you honestly think that Manny was taking PEDS.


Thanks! :good

 

Hiya mate,

Where does Manny's offer of an after fight blood test fit into all of this? :good

 

The flat fee was a JOKE!

 

No fighter was tested like how Floyd wanted, back in 2009.

Also, Floyd wasn't interested in having any of his opponents tested, until after his Daddy had made his bull**** remark.

 

post fight blood test could be used by testers to do a complete blood count.

testers could do a baseline cbc on the cutoff date to compare it with pac's post fight blood test. if there is a sharp increase in the hemoglobin/hematocrit count then you could suspect pacquiao for blood doping either with epo or blood transfusion.

...but then again, pac has always agreed for his urine to be tested and synthetic epo and known synthetic testosterone are detectable in urine sample anyway.

 

So if Mayweather-Pacquiao negotiations start up again does Manny all of a sudden need to build a stadium, have 10 million per lb penalties, and cut off dates cause blood test make him weak again?

 

I said sporting athlete. Not boxer

 

1. Yes
2. I cant' remember when they were going to start testing, but hypothetically he could of used EPO before the testing started, had an autologous blood transfusion and had his enriched blood pumped back into him during the 2 week period, this is a technique that tour de france cyclists used to dodge urine tests for EPO, and helped L. Armstrong win, so that would be one way in which taking PED's would give a massive benefit.
However, i'm sure there are other ways in which a 2-week urine only testing could be used to give massive benefits.
3. There would be very little risk as far as i can see, but massive rewards.
4. I'm 90% sure he was, the way he and his team acted towards blood testing was ridiculous, but i also think that a lot of top boxers are. I wouldn't be surprised if Floyd was.

:good

 

Thanks for the science 101 atsch

Yes but Manny didn't agree to the necessary amount of testing to show up anomalies in his blood. He agreed to 3 tests over a 5 week period. To show anomalies cyclists are BLOOD tested 5 times in 3 weeks AND have had a historical biological passport to set baseline physiological levels.

As for urine, you've dug yourself a hole by quoting the WADA website as i can just keep quoting this at you: Urine testing "has limitations when an athlete may be using substances on an intermittent and/or low-dose basis. "


Yes, USADA were using the CIR test, surprise, surprise, Manny didn't want USADA testing and Nevada weren't using the test.

 

Pac fukked up....the shyt is as plain as day...

again First he COULD NOT do the test

Found out he could

Then he couldnt do it day of fight needed 30 days and wouldnt take 14 days

Found out he could

Now we find out...HE SUPPORTS THE TEST

So all im saying is......why the hell did he not just agree the first time...i mean he had ample time AND he would have got 50/50......i mean come on...if Floyd did'nt want to fight he would have just demanded the bigger share.

Pac fukked up.....thats all...he gambled and loss...Floyd moved on to set more records and make crazy cash while still winning.....game set match

If i were Pac i'd drop Arum....but i think Arum has his teeth sunk in real deep