Did Joe Louis lose to Arturo Godoy?

I owned the entire bout at one time on 16 mm film. Godoy did lots of crowding but not much landing. Louis was the clear winner in my book...cant see how anyone could score it differently. If I remember correctly at the fights end the ref...if I remember correctly went over the Godoy and it looked like raised his arm or perhaps he was just trying to shake Godoys hand. Godoy and his corner went wild thinking they had won. Of course the decision was decidedly in Louis favor.

 

I watched the fight not too long ago. Godoy clinches a lot. He sometimes fights dirty, he hit after the bell I believe more than once and was lucky to not get disqualified. He also was bending below the waist which was probably even back then illegal. I did not score it and I don't think Godoy should have gotten the decision.
Other than that I think he fought Hopkins' style, - hit and clinch immediately.
Godoy is a very tough fighter who uses a lot of borderline legal tactics. But there are a lot of fighters who fight with Godoy's style and get the decision after the fight....

By the way, I might mix something up here because maybe Godoy was hitting Louis after the bell in the rematch and not in the first fight.

 

25 minutes is not that short.

 

No, Godoy essentially was awarded one of the cards merely for doing better than expected in going the distance. Keeping Joe on the back foot by staying low and continually coming forward was a good strategy for survival, but not for producing a valid decision win. [Prior to Holmes-Berbick, I was thinking of Louis-Godoy II in expecting Trevor to employ the same tactics to halt Larry's title defense stoppage streak without attempting to win. That was the final full day Joe was alive. Sitting at ringside as usual in Vegas, he heard the judges get it right this time when the decision was announced. I agreed with Joe Swessel's 150-135 shutout for Holmes.]

Jack Blackburn devised a fine antidote for Joe to use in their rematch, and this was the performance of Louis best suited for application against guys like Marciano and Frazier. The Bomber didn't like to be crowded, but he dealt with it competently enough in Godoy II [who admittedly was no Marciano or Frazier].

I think Godoy II marked Joe's final evolutionary improvement as a fighter, although Max Baer represented his athletic peak. Louis-Godoy I was essential for producing it.

 

I think godoy had the edge after 9 rounds. After that ARturo was strictly spoiling in order to neutralise his way to the final bell. He did not deserve to win because his aim was to stop Louis working. A lot of the earlier rounds were close, you cant win a title like that. Maybe it was enough to win a non title fight. Not a championship.

over the first 9 rounds Godoy did win most of the exchanges however. Arturo took away Louis' s jab. Without a jab to control distance ARturo climbed all over Louis. He Came in low. With each jab Louis missed with ARturo gained a step and would maul his way to the ropes where he would use his head to pin Louis from there he would unload. As soon as Louis fired back he would hold or duck low down.

The second fight Louis trained to use only shorter power shots at close range. Without a jab to slip under Godoy had to meet Louis mid range where he was beaten to the draw.
Louis was beginning to work that out in their first fight but unfortunately in the first fight without maintaining the distance as well joe was not as successful as the second fight.

 

In the many rounds I have seen Godoy out worked, out landed, and moved Louis around in the clinches.

 

This is one of the fights in which you claimed Louis was the beneficiary of a robbery via a crooked refereee[Arthur Donovan] Actually of the two that voted for Louis ,Donovan gave Godoy 5 rds, Lecron the other, only 4. Godoy himself never claimed he won the fight , he said immediately after ,he thought he deserved a draw.

 

Maybe Godoy said that because he didn't want to upset Louis and hurt his chances for a re-match? Godoy's corner felt they won.



Its too bad the poster HOUDINI's entire flimed fight " disappeared ". If it was posted on you tube...jaws would drop.



Here's the deal. I have seen most of the filmed rounds, and Godoy simply out lands, out works, and easily out muscles Louis. That is the story. Louis lands nothing big to swing any round where he is out landed / out worked.

Godoy did give away the 15th round by clowning, getting too low to hit, and then kissing Louis to end the fight, but Louis never landed anything hard in the first match.



Louis looked confused, forgot to use an uppercut ( A crouch / crowding tactics ) seem to bother Louis. In fact Louis admitted this was a weakness of his.



If an objective person sees all the shown footage, there is NO way they would think Louis wins the majority of it.


In MSG, Louis wasn't likely to lose on the cards, especially to a foreign born fighter.

 

Oh yes, your famous score card based on highlights of the fight!

 

How anyone can watch highlights of a fight , then arrive at a conclusive result all the while calling themselves "objective" is beyond me.


You did the same thing with the first Walcott fight as I recall.

You have repeatedly stated that Louis was helped by crooked refereeing and the influence of MSG.
When I have pointed out to you, as I did in my last post, that the referee you accused of being in Louis's corner's pocket actually gave a round more to Godoy than the other scorer who voted for him, you ignored it.

If as you insinuate ,Louis was able to gain an unfair advantage on the score cards by defending in MSG, one would naturally assume his management would stipulate that his rematches after close fights be held in MSG .
One would further expect that his crooked referee be the third man in these contests. So, let us examine these close fights, and the rematches, they prompted.
As champion Louis first defence was a competitive decision win over Tommy Farr, even Farr did not claim he won it. The fight was at Yankee Stadium.Talk of a return was dead in the water before it really started because Farr lost all his next 4 fights.

Louis had had problems trying to land on Bob Pastor in their first fight .Pastor did not try to win merely to survive , which he did .
The fight was held in MSG , there was no controversy about the decision. Arthur Donovan gave it to Louis 8-2 one judge gave it 6-3 to Louis, the other 8-1 to Louis. So Donovan's card was in the middle .

When Louis was champion he defended against Pastor, the fight was at Briggs Stadium not MSG ,and the ref was not Donovan but Sam Hennessy. Louis had Pastor on the floor 5 times for an 11 th rd ko.

The next close fight for Louis was against Godoy at MSG Referee Donovan gave Louis the fight 10-5, one judge gave it for Godoy 5-10 ,[ one wonders what fight he was watching,] the other gave it to Louis 10-4, so again Donovan was in the middle on the scoring.
The rematch of course was at MSG and the referee Donovan , to protect Louis's crown.WRONG The rematch was at Yankee Stadium and the referee was Billy Cavanagh. Louis ripped uppercuts into Godoy's face until he looked like a raw hamburger Louis stopped him in 8 rds flooring him twice inthe last rd ,I've a colour picture of it in my study.


Buddy Baer put Louis over the middle rope, out of the ring ,onto the ring apron with one stupendous left hook in the 1st rd of their initial encounter . Louis calmly climbed back in as the noise level rose to a cacophony. Louis clinched and Donovan quickly broke them up.

Louis made a good recovery but Baer was still looking for blood the fighters thinking they had heard the bell, turned for their corners ,but no bell had rung ,Donovan quickly waved them back into action, then the bell did ring.
Louis gradually tamed the man- mountain in front of him and in the 6th had him down 3 times, the last knockdown punch was thrown as the bell rang but no one heard it in the din .

Baer's corner man, his manager Ancill Hoffman who would later be Graziano's pilot was in the ring protesting about a late punch and screaming for a dsq of Louis ,a Louis fan entered the ring and walked over to Joe's corner.
Donovan restored order and motioned the figthers to the centre of the ring to commence the 7th rd, but Hoffman refused to allow Baer out for it, claiming that Baer had been dropped after the bell.

Donovan held up Louis's hand ,winner by ko.

The fight was held at Griffith Stadium the first heavyweight title fight in Washington DC.


Points to note ,after Baer dropped Louis ,Joe tried to clinch , but Donovan quickly broke the fighters, if he had been favourable to Louis he could have allowed some clinching and given Louis time to clear his head.

When the boxers, thinking they had heard the bell turned for their corners, Donoavan quickly waved them back together, he could have stalled a bit thereby giving Louis more time to shake off the effects of the knockdown , he did not.

Baer was several times guilty of holding round the neck and clubbing away with the other hand ,ala Lennox Lewis, Donovan never warned him for it.
Baer got more than a fair shake in that fight controversial though it was.

The rematch WAS in MSG, but the referee was Frank Fullam, result 1 rd ko for Louis.

Billy Conn gave Louis hell at the Polo Grounds but got ****y and was kod, the ref was Eddie Joseph.

The rematch was at Yankee Stadium and the referee was again Joseph. Louis kod Conn in 8 rds.

Louis v Walcott 1 was MSG Walcott's manager vetoed Donovan as a referee , Ruby Goldstein substituted.

Louis won a close fight in which he was floored twice,Goldstein gave it to Walcott 6-7 the judges to Louis 8-6,9-6 .The rematch was again at MSG? WRONG ,it was at YankeeStadium and the ref was Frank Fullam.

Louis was briefly down without a count in the 3rd but came on to ko Walcott in the 11th.

You have libelled the referee Arthur Donovan, Louis's managers, Louis himself,and also the management of MSG at the time .

You have produced absolutely no proof to back up your accusations ,[true to form there], and no doubt will continue to repeat the same lies , with the same zero evidence to back it up.


Awhile ago you talked knowingly on this subject , implying the old adage "theres no smoke without fire", fitted in here, saying," smell the smoke ", well not only have you failed to produce the fire ,you haven't managed to show any smoke!

And you wonder why you are not taken seriously?

 

Not only did Godoy win the the first fight he won the second one too.

 

Robbed twice!!!!:good

 

Woe, McVey kind of kicked Mendoza's behind in this one.