Joe Calzaghe v Roy Jones Jnr 2002

Roid was facing bums at this point in career, as soon as he stepped back in with quality he got his chin shattered.

 

He won the first Tarver fight actually, did you see it?

And I wouldn't call Tarver being a step back in with quality.. Tarver was 1-1 with Harding, someone Jones beat earlier. He was also given good fights by Woods and R.Johnson, two Roy wiped the floor with.

 

The altitude was probably a big factor in the first Mercado fight, mentally as well as physically. Hopkins had struggled with the altitude in Denver against Gilbert Baptist, and he seemed ill-prepared to deal with the altitude in Quito.

In a roundabout way, it was probably one of the fights that made Hopkins. He had to dig deeper than in any fight before or since, and actually finished the fight stronger.

Mercado was a bit of an enigma. Hopkins dominated the rematch, and Mercado got treated like a punching bag in virtually every meaningful fight he had from then on. It was hard to believe that the guy who barely landed a punch on Frankie Liles had twice dropped Hopkins.

 

What are you arguing for then?

If you've seen them before, then you'll know what he said, and when.

You've spent the last two pages disputing both articles.

 

After he'd been to HW and back, fighting Ruiz and Tarver?

atsch

 

He forgot to add, that as soon as he stepped back in with quality he won.. It was the next fight his chin was shattered.:roflatsch

 

Where do these clowns come from?

 

The bog of eternal stinch?:rofl

 

Where's Foxy and Joe zero?

 

i'm not arguing about it, just saying that they were taken out of context.

the crown jewels comment was actually uttered in the build up to the Reid fight. it was a big Box Office occasion with the Trinidad/De La Hoya fight being shown later that night.

Joe was being asked about Roy, and if he'd like a fight like that. Joe said he wanted to fight the best, but a fight with Roy would have to have something big on the table. he wasn't willing to take the short end of the stick. but, if they wanted him to put it all on the line, they'd have to pay the crown jewels.

he then said that if the fight was to happen at a later date when he'd have more experience and was more known out there, it would be the fight that had to happen and that the money would be there for both of them.


the comment about not chasing Roy, was said on ringside when asked if they could put this big fight together. Joe was optimistic, but he said that he wasn't going to pander to him and chase him around. he either wanted the fight or he didn't.

so these articles mean nothing to me. especially since they're not from the original source.
they could have been done at any time. they may not even be legit.

can you verify whether they're legit or not? or do you believe everything you read on the internet?

 

yeah, that's exactly the reason. he's not black so he's not liked. black people are so lucky. thay always have the advantage of being liked so much throughout history. :roll:

roy beat woods in 2002 and if he would have beat joe then, that win would be looked at in the same manner. joe was a nothing in 2002.

 

[url]http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Boxing%3A+I'm+lord+of+the+Welsh+rings+says+Calzaghe.-a060444934[/url]

The priority for the 27-year-old Newbridge star has always been to set up his three children - Cole, 10, Joseph, five, and two-year-old Connor - for life.

Legendary status would be nothing more than a welcome side-effect.

"I only want big-money fights," said Calzaghe, who defends his WB0
title against Australian Rick Thornberry in Cardiff on Saturday.

He has no particular desire to test himself against the very best, such as WBC
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light-heavyweight champ Roy Jones.

Calzaghe added: "I'm not chasing after Roy Jones. Be honest, Roy Jones is a good fighter and I don't want tough fights, I just want big money.

 

hahaha see ab0ve

 

If you've heard him say those things, they're obviously from a different time period.

But the Mail/Mirror quotes are legit, and we know that he turned down the opportunity to fight in America, after the Collins fight had fallen through for the second time.

We've also heard Frank say that Joe didn't want to go to America early on.

The Standard quote was also legit. It was a good interview.



Lets look at what you've wrote above.

In 1999, Joe had done nothing on the world stage, and Roy was the unified champ at 175, and was considered the best fighter in the world.

Now if he'd have wanted Roy, he would had to have impressed America, and of course he would have had to have taken the short end of the stick.

Nobody in 1999, would have paid Joe big money (The Crown Jewels) to fight Roy.

It was never going to happen.



Now fast forward four years to 2002-2003.

At that point, Joe wasn't known much more than what he was in 1999.

He was still relatively unknown on the world stage. His circumstances hadn't really changed that much, within those three to four years.



With regards to Joe not wanting to chase Roy around, that's exactly what he needed to do to force a fight.


His only realistic options, were as follows:


1. Move up to 175, move up the rankings, and if made a mandatory, take whatever money there was available, like Clinton Woods etc.

2. Go to America, and try and impress the fans and media, and call out Roy at every given opportunity to try and force a fight.


But he did neither.


Despite how great he was, he wouldn't fully commit to do one of those two things.

He stayed in Britain, and defended his WBO belt. That was fine, and it was his right to do that.

But as I've said a million times, defending his WBO at 168, in Britain, was never going to get him a big money fight, against the world's best fighter, who fought in a different country, and in a different weight class.

As I've mentioned to Bailey on numerous occasions, I appreciate the predicament that Joe found himself in.

He could have dropped the WBO belt, moved up, and not gotten the fight against Roy.

So it was a tough decision to make.

But again, the longer he stayed at 168, the less chance he had of getting the fight on his terms.

Joe's attitude was always, if the fight comes up, I'll take it for big money.

But that opportunity was never going to present itself.

Now nobody can say that Joe really pushed for that fight, when again, he was relatively unknown, and he didn't even fight in Roy's weight class.

If you want the champ, you have to chase him down, because he's not going to come looking for you.



Ricky Hatton is the perfect example to use.

He ditched Frank, fought 2-3 times in America, built up a fan base and some interest, then goaded Floyd on TV, and then moved up to his weight class.

That's what constitutes as chasing down a fight.


Joe didn't do enough.


Now I'm not hating. What I've wrote, is an honest, objective look, at Joe's circumstances at the time.

I'll debate it with you, or anyone else.

 

Who were the world class fighters Joe had beaten at that point, A?

He fought whoever he could get into he ring on his own terms. WBO mandos, willing to come to his neck of the woods.

That wasn't going to get it done with the big boys. They were already on the big stage. If he wanted it..........really wanted it, he had to come get it.