Joe Calzaghe v Roy Jones Jnr 2002

I don't see how anybody could dispute what I've said. :good

 

assassin,

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CC0QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.standard.co.uk%2Fsport%2Fi-am-the-best-says-honest-joe-6352495.html&ei=C6dKUsmwAcTt0gWhlIHoBg&usg=AFQjCNGBiajy97Q2nyzEcM3Y1U61BRttVw&bvm=bv.53371865,d.Yms


That isn't taken out of context, and neither is this one from below.


http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rc...lIDYBQ&usg=AFQjCNF3ysuN84aDc4ba0qzOLrKKpC7d2Q

It's called a calculated risk. If he'd have gone over and impressed, he could have gotten bigger fights, for bigger money. Lets look at who went over. Benn, Bruno, Lewis, Hatton and Naz etc.

Do you think Frank could have brought Tyson over here in the 80's to fight Bruno? Do you think Holyfield would have come over to fight Lewis? Do you think Floyd and Barrera would have come to Britain to fight Hatton and Naz? No! All of those guys went over to the U.S. to further their careers, and they all had massive fights. If they'd have stayed in Britain, they wouldn't have gotten those fights.

What do you mean it wasn't done by a lot of Roy's opponents? Most of Roy's opponents were already based in the U.S. and they already fought in his division. Their circumstances were different to Joe's.

That's fine, but explain to me how he could get Roy for big money, while he was defending the WBO in Britain?

He wasn't known enough. There was no demand to see Roy fight Joe in the U.S. and he ruled a DIFFERENT division to Roy.

How was he well known exactly? The U.S. fans and media had seen him fight only a handful of times.

If he wasn't prepared to chase Roy, he was never going to get the fight. What was in it for Roy and HBO? A relatively unknown southpaw, that fought in a different weight class, who had a belt, that wasn't even respected, or ranked by the likes of The Ring magazine?

Why would he have taken $5m, when he got around $17m to fight Ruiz?

Joe WAS LOOKING FOR THE CROWN JEWELS TO FIGHT ROY. He was never going to get them. Tell me who in 2000-2003 was going to pay Joe the big money that he wanted to fight Roy?

Enlighten me.

Ricky got the fight, because he got the U.S. fans interested in him, and he goaded Floyd on TV.

Go and watch Hatton - Mayweather 24/7

Ricky baited him, and Floyd was watching at home. After Ricky's comments, Floyd rang Leonard Ellerbe up in a rage, and demanded that he made the fight.

What fights did he duck?

Don't just give me a load of names, back them up with evidence. Joe was fighting the Pudwell's of the world, while Roy was fighting Ruiz and Tarver.

Joe in 2004, said that he knew he had to go up to 175, and he knew that he had to fight in America. He said he knew that there was nothing left for him at 168. This was said before Lacy and Kessler came on the scene, yet he remained at 168, and fought the likes of Mger Mkrtchyan, Kabaray Salem and Mario Veit.

Joe could have gone up when the Ottke fight couldn't be made. But he chose to stay.

Joe had the same choices, as any other fighter had.

Ricky could have stayed with Frank, and he could have stayed in Britain. But he ditched him, and fought in America. You make you're own luck. Joe could have left Frank, and he could have gone to America, whenever he'd have wanted. But he didn't want to.

You're living in a fantasy, where everything was taken out of context, and Joe really wanted the big fights, but couldn't get them, because he was avoided etc.

Wake up!

Everybody else can see what happened.

 

Who the f*ck wanted to see a Veit rematch? It was a joke!

Can you not see Joe's circumstances at the time?

He would have fought Roy for big money.

But he was never going to get big money, while ever he was unknown in America, because he was defending his WBO belt at home.

The big money opportunity to fight Roy, was NEVER going to present itself.

 

How could he have been paid well, to fight Roy back then?

WHO WAS GOING TO PAY HIM WELL?

 

Of course!

 

:good

 

Joe means what he says, not what you want him to say. He didn't want tough fights, ie he wanted an easy ride by fighting the likes of weaklings Veit, Sheika, et all. When Byron Mitchell is your best opponent then you aren't fighting tough fights.

They weren't all weaklings, Reid is the standout very good boxer, but then Joe arguably lost that fight.

 

I think this is a good post.

I'd like to be fair here.......

Reading those linked articles, and the context under which those quotes are taken, I cannot condemn Calzaghe. Who wouldn't want to set their children up? Who wouldn't place that above pursuing an unwritten legacy in such a chancy sport as pro boxing?

Detractors need to be realistic. The guy made big dough, retired with health and wealth and a shitload of rabid fans. HOF bound. Who wouldn't sign up for that?


His proponents must also be realistic. His career followed a certain, chosen path. Talking up the mediocre aspects of his resume does the guy no favors.

 

:rofl

I think you are incapable of giving Roy the benefit of the doubt in any situation.. And are quick to point your finger at him for fights not getting made, even when the other guy states in plain english that he doesn't want to fight him.atsch

How anyone in the world can take that quote as Joe not wanting to give in to Jones' demands is beyond me.:-(

 

That's a good resume? Alright then.

 

Yeah altitude was a huge factor. Hops looked exhausted. I don't know much about Mercado but Hops brutalized him in that rematch. Not sure what happened to him after. Good post.

 

I agree entirely. That's a very fair post.

Who wouldn't want huge money to fight Roy, if the were a great fighter themselves?

My only issue is, he never put himself in the situation, where he would have been paid huge money.

There was no demand for the fight.

I respect Joe as a fighter, as I do with any amateur or pro fighter. Anybody that climbs through the ropes, and dedicates themselves to training, deserves an enormous amount of respect.

But the thing with Joe, is the victim card that he's always tried to play throughout his career.

He's always portrayed himself as the guy who wanted the best, but was unable to get them, due to being avoided etc.

Then all of his fans ride along with what he's said.

But it's all nonsense.

His ambition never matched his skills.

 

Well they did fight and we all saw what happened Jones got schooled. Plus, as I have said before there is NO WAY it was always the other fighter/promoters fault a Jones fight couldn't be made. There are way too many examples of this for it to be a coincidence. The common denominator is Jones.

 

:rofl

And you say the EXACT same thing about Glass Jaw Roy. atsch

 

We all know Joe was happy to school Jones in 08.. But the thread is about it happening in 02....Anyone who knows boxing and isn't trolling, knows that would be a much different fight in 02.. I am sure Joe himself believes it.

I am not saying that it was always Roy's opponents fault that fights didn't happen, but in this case, we have the statements to back up the fact that Joe wasn't going after Roy.

I don't understand twisting statements to suit, just because Jones is the common denominator.