Joe Calzaghe v Roy Jones Jnr 2002

i can't remember the exact timing of it, but the first time they approached was mid to late in 2001. not long after, Joe tried calling Jones out when on Showtime with his fight with Mcintire to see if that would get him to respond.

the other 2 times though, where late 02, early 03.

they did talk about fighting in the UK with one of the offers, but Jones wasn't going to do that, so they tried to get it on in the states instead. but the location was never the sticking point, it was the money. they had to get over that first and it just wasn't happening. there was no way Wa55en could pay him the 10 mill he was after.

Joe didn't agree to a small purse, no. but with the $ 5 million that Wa55en was willing to pay Jones for the fight, it's easy to see that there wouldn't have been that kind of money for Joe. it would have been about $2 mill max.

it was never about Joe pricing himself out of the fight. because if he asked for too much, we definitely would have heard about it. so it seems that both were happy on their part.

negotiations never got that serious because Jones saying that he wanted $10 million straight off the bat. they just weren't going to work with that.

do you know how much Roy got for the Toney fight or whereabouts?

i can understand Jones taking the Ruiz fight based on business, but it made little sense outside of that. Jones was always going to win a lopsided decision in that one.

you may not of known anyone who knew who Calzaghe was, but he was definitely a whole lot more known than Woods was. Woods was a complete unknown. he was barely known over here. only the hardcore watched him.

i don't know the exact numbers for Joe's fights on Showtime, but i remember Larkin saying that he was happy with the viewing figures.

if he was a complete dud over there, they would have shut it down.

even when he had injuries, they still had faith in him and stuck by him. you wouldn't do that for someone who wasn't getting the viewers in.

it was never going to be a mega fight over your side at that time, but they would have at least of seen it as a big fight.
Joe was undefeated and had beaten fighters that the American public knew, so they would have come out for it.

and if the fight did take place, Joe may not have been a "big" name over there beforehand, but he would have been afterwards.

 

please show a link. how could jones ask for $10 million for a fighter that no one had ever heard of. he got $10 million for the ruiz fight. joe was a nobody at this time.

talking about calzaghe's ratings in the states, his fight vs kessler, at the time, was the lowest rated world championship boxing card in hbo history.

 

No, he was simply saying exactly what he said... "I don't want tough fights, just big money". It doesn't matter what you want it to mean and I'm not here to field your idiotic questions or provide your gay ass with lists, you ******.

Deal with it. :smoke

 

My question is where are you getting it from? It can't simply come from your impressions at the time man. I'm open minded about the whole thing, but these points need to be substantiated.

 

i'm not getting all this from the internet. i don't even know if links exist on here. all this is from watching interviews at the time.

that's what he asked for. i'm sure he knew who Joe was (fighters know who the other fighters that are around, are) so he probably saw it as a big risk. remember, Jones was known for pricing himself out of fights all the time.

some on here claim that Roy got $17 million for the Ruiz fight. in fact it was Loudon who said that. ask him how he knows. because i don't.

even Hopkins asked for $6 million to do the fight in 02. he at first agreed to $3 million, then changed his mind soon after and asked for double when his demand was agreed to. he even wanted the fight in America, which was also agreed to. that information exists, it's been on here enough times. Jay Larkin who was the head of Showtime at the time even put a piece out saying that Joe was free from blame in this saga. he said that Joe agreed to every demand that was asked of him, but Bernard threw a spanner in the works by being unreasonable.

look it up if you want.

if i haven't seen it with my own eyes, then i won't make comment on it.

i only know of his ratings for Showtime being satisfactory. i don't know how good his ratings were for HBO. but if that's what they said, then cool.

 

so you couldn't give an answer then... because you don't have an answer.

making all these accusations without knowing what you're talking about...

****ing *****.

 

interviews from TV over time.

i can't pull a link up or anything to prove it. in fact, i've never even looked to see if they're even there.

 

It isn't an accusation, dip****. It's a direct quote from the man himself.

Haven't we already established that I'm not here to field your lame questions or provide your gay ass with lists to try to sway your idiotic opinion? :yep

You're going to believe what you want about your weak ass ***** of a hero, so go ahead. Just know that when you try to re-interpret a direct quote of his on an internet forum because what he said was lame, you're going to be ridiculed and laughed at.

 

Assassin,

Part 1.

It's time to put this fantasy of yours to bed.

You're living in a fantasy, trying to convince us that what Joe said, was taken out of context.

Nobody is buying it.

He even called Roy out? After fighting the mighty Will McIntyre at 168, he said "I'd like to fight the likes of Roy Jones."

So what!

Why was Frank W offering $5m in Sept 2002, when Roy had told the world, in his post fight interview after Woods, that only a John Ruiz fight, would stop a Tarver fight from taking place? He said Tarver or Ruiz is next. Both of those fights were bigger than a fight with Joe.

Frank was deluded like you are, trying to set up a four man, 168 tournament, with Roy, Hopkins, Joe and Harry Simon. Ha!

Roy didn't agree any such thing on Ringside. What he said in 2008, was "I know Joe's been wanting to fight me for a while."

According to Joe, he made a phone call to Roy after his fight with Hopkins in 2008, and asked him if he'd be interested in a fight. Roy jumped at the chance, and Joe was happy to give him a 50-50 deal.

But we've seen the Setanta Sports video, from BEFORE Joe's fight with Hopkins, where he laughs to the girl in the studio, and he says that Roy was past his best, and he'd be disappointed to have his last fight against him.

So the question is, why after saying that, would he then have phoned Roy and offered him the fight?


Here is the Setanta Sports video, from early 2008, BEFORE he fought Hopkins.

Go to 6.30 - It's a joke!

http://youtu.be/AWDtzdAYTOA


This is the article, where Joe made the phone call to Roy afterwards.

https://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Calzaghe's%2Bcall%2Bset%2Bup%2Bdream%2Bfight%2Bwith%2BJones.-a0185276248&sa=U&ei=HApMUo6ZAsiRhQegxICQAg&ved=0CAcQFjAA&client=internal-uds-cse&usg=AFQjCNFWkTeOp9brXyUQIG6tWJk-FVuWwg

WHY WOULD ROY HAVE MADE A COUNTER OFFER IN 2002?

All Roy's camp said, is "Talk to us, tell us what you're proposing?" They were willing to listen. Joe was a POSSIBILITY. But in the end, Ruiz and Tarver were ahead of him.

Roy and HBO had to have wanted the fight, but in the end, they had better offers. Maybe if Joe had've gone Stateside earlier and impressed, they may have been a global demand for the fight, and all parties would have been happy to sign for a big fight.

Roy only dismissed a few fighters. A lot of other fights couldn't be made for various circumstances. If you want to debate them, we can do.

Joe could have got a title fight at 175, if he'd have gone over. Benn was willing to fight anywhere, Joe wasn't.

The point is, Frank couldn't have brought Tyson over here in the 80's. Bruno had to go over to America.

Joe could have been signed by HBO if he'd have impressed, and had been willing to go over.

That's right, but the 175 scene was in America, and that's where Roy fought.

Ricky didn't re-sign with Frank, and he built up a U.S. fan base, which led to huge fights against Floyd and Manny. There was nothing stopping Joe from trying to do the same thing.

Oh the irony.

HOW WAS HE GOING TO GET A STRAIGHT SHOT AT THE WORLDS BEST FIGHTER, WHEN HE WAS RELATIVELY UNKNOWN, AND HE FOUGHT IN A DIFFERENT WEIGHT CLASS???

You're right, a lot of the bums who Roy fought weren't well known. But they were happy to fight for less than $1m and a lot them were mandatories at 175. So their circumstances were different. They fought in America, Joe didn't. They fought at 175, Joe didn't. They were happy to fight for low purses, Joe wouldn't have been.

Think about it.

 

"He has no particular desire to test himself against the very best, such as WBC light-heavyweight champ Roy Jones.

Calzaghe added: "I'm not chasing after Roy Jones. Be honest, Roy Jones is a good fighter and I don't want tough fights, I just want big money."

 

Assassin,

Part 2.

You don't seem to understand, that Joe was relatively unknown in America in 2002. If there was no demand for the fight, it wouldn't have been a big fight.

As in, you tell me. The American's had seen lacklustre displays against David Starie, Rick Thornberry, and they'd seen him beat Will McIntyre. They'd only seen about 4 fights, and as a whole, he hadn't impressed.

As above. You can also ask any American fans on here.

At that point of his career, at 34, he was looking for huge pay days at HW.

I wasn't talking about Joe.

Hatton was never in serious position to fight Floyd after the Kosta fight. Floyd moved up to 147 shortly after Gatti, and Ricky was never comfortable at that weight.

If only I was as intelligent as you? Ha!

Roy only dismissed a few fighters, but I'm sure that you've got a list of twenty.

Who was he a replacement for? Thomas Tate. The guy who Roy had iced in a round, NINE YEARS earlier. Wow!

HBO were only pissed with Roy, for short periods in the late 90's and early 00's. But they were happy when he unified with Reggie Johnson, when he tried to make the DM and Hopkins fights, and when he went and fought Telesco, Ruiz and Tarver.

Joe could have tried to have put himself in the mix with Tarver etc, but he stayed and fought the likes of Kabary Salem instead.

We know that he couldn't unify with Ottke. That was the perfect time to go up to 175.

You've just said it yourself. Ricky wanted BIG fights, and he didn't think that Frank couldn't get them, so he didn't re-sign. Then he ended up going to America and fighting Castillo, Floyd and Manny. Joe was more than happy to keep re-signing with Frank.

He never put himself in a position, where he had realistic expectations of getting a big, big money fight.

 

He has no particular desire to test himself against the very best, such as WBC
light-heavyweight champ Roy Jones.

Calzaghe added: "I'm not chasing after Roy Jones. Be honest, Roy Jones is a good fighter and I don't want tough fights, I just want big money.

 

But it was taken out of context Herol. Really, he was desperate to fight Roy.

 

I think we have all come tom the conclusion that Jones has no Chin and no Plan B in a fight and just for those two reasons he is vulnerable against ATG's. We aren't talking about Glen Kelly or Rick Frazier here. Jones also somehow managed to not fight one savage puncher in over 50 fights. How is that even possible? SRR, SRL, Ali fought several apiece.

Jones knew what his limitations were as far as his Glass Mandible went. He wasn't going to risk getting put into a coma like Glen Johnson did to him.

 

calzaghe would like to disagree -

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