Joe Calzaghe v Roy Jones Jnr 2002

I know the point that you was making, but the Veit rematch sums up Joe's career.

He could have been in the mix at 175.

But instead, he had to fight a rematch against a guy who'd beaten in a SINGLE ROUND, just three years earlier.

What a f*cking joke!

Joe was 33 at that point.

 

lol he was living in topsy turvy land. Where what you mean is the opposite of what you say.

 

None of it was realistic.

It was all ifs, buts and maybes.

Roy would have wanted huge money to fight in Britain, at 168.

He'd already got an eye on going up to HW at that point, and was comfortable at 175.

Frank couldn't afford to pay Roy big money, and Joe as well.

The fight would have been a lot bigger in Britain, than it would have been in the U.S.

In the U.S. it wouldn't have been a big money PPV fight, and HBO were paying most of Roy's opponents under a $1m at the time.

It was a complete waste of Frank's time, offering Roy a deal in 2002, when Roy's other options at the time, were Ruiz and Tarver.

 

You just described Roy's career. :rofl

 

An unknown, European, 168 champ, MENTIONING Roy's name on TV.

Wow!

Frank made a few enquiries.

The only concrete offers to my knowledge, were in 2002 and 2007.


Again, in 2002, it was pointless, with Roy's other options being either Ruiz or Tarver.


The negotiations in 2007, were a joke.

Joe had said in his 2007 autobiography, that Roy was past his best, and a fight between them would be pointless.

When Frank tried to make the fight, Roy was on a three match losing run.

It was before Roy's first comeback win against Prince Badi Ajamu.


So why did Joe want to face Roy at that point??

 

No it wasn't by choice EVERYTIME, and if you want me to own you with facts and links, then I will do.

 

But he didn't did he?


Again, look at this.

Go to 6.30

http://youtu.be/AWDtzdAYTOA


Joe made himself look like a fool!


He made the above comments, and then phoned up Roy after he'd beaten Hopkins, and asked him to fight.


The guy's a f**king joker!


Beating a near 40 year old version of Roy, after he'd beaten knocked cold by Glen Johnson, FOUR YEARS EARLIER, and AFTER HE'D DISMISSED ROY AS A THREAT ON TWO OCCASIONS. atsch

 

I said that Roy didn't play the victim, and pretend that he was avoided, like how Joe did.

What big fights did Roy have?

Is that a serious question? atsch

 

You've really no idea.

It doesn't matter if Joe was leagues above the majority of Hopkins and Roy's opponents.

Because again, their opponents fought regularly in America, they wouldn't have been getting huge pay days, and they obviously fought in the same weight class.

I've tried to explain it to you, but I'm not getting through.

Take any of Roy's opponents that you want.

Glen Kelly, Harmon, Woods or whoever.

None of those guys were as good as Joe.

But they were happy to fight at 175, in America, for low pay.

Joe had never fought in America. He'd never fought at Roy's weight, and we know that he wouldn't have fought Roy for less than a million dollars.

So Joe's circumstances were COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.

Joe wanted Roy, but he wanted big money.

But he was never going to get that opportunity, while he was defending his WBO SMW belt.

It's really not that difficult to understand.

 

He fought over 25 times on HBO. :good

 

It would have needed to have been huge money, to get Roy to go down to 168 at that point.

Defending the WBO in Britain, in a different weight class, just hoping that a big money opportunity was going to just suddenly present itself, is as bad as pricing yourself out.

 

Twice.

Again, once in 2002, when Roy wanted to go up to HW, and once in 2007, when Roy was on a three match losing streak.

 

Hopkins turned down the three fight deal, not Joe himself.

If Joe had've been willing to fight Roy, he'd have gotten on a plane, and fought in America, at Roy's WEIGHT.

 

des3995

Correct.

Joe wasn't that well known then.

But in 2008, he'd beaten Lacy and Kessler, and he was proven on the World stage.

Joe's fans love to say that Hop ducked him out of fear of losing to him.

But why would Hopkins have ducked him at 37, when he was unknown, only to fight him 6 years later, at 43, when he was well known and proven?

Nobody would do that.

Joe got better, and Hopkins was older.

If he'd have ducked him in 2002, he wouldn't have fought him in 2008.