Joe Calzaghe v Roy Jones Jnr 2002

yeah bbc WALES.

not a hint of bias there then. don't see this news anywhere else either.

 

He had a 24 pound advantage. And he is feather fisted with no skills and not allowed to use his one 'skill' he did have.


70 pounds? :roflatsch

You sound like Glass Jaw Roy

Don't forget Ruiz also got beat by James Toney he is the ONLY Heavyweight champion to lose to not one but two former Middleweights

 

no you sound like someone who misreads deliberately.

try again. 'natural weight'. don't try and wriggle out of your complete embarrassment at dissing a natural LMW beating a HW titlist.

he was a titlist, nobody is claiming anything more. invalid point.

 

Funny how did Ruiz become champ ? He had to have beaten a HW wonder who that was :think

 

Toney beat Ruiz after Roy did... Roy's achievement is more special, and the win also was not taken away.

 

Here we go again.

There's a huge difference between ducking somebody and dismissing somebody.


Roy 100% dismissed Steve Collins.

A duck is when a fighter swerves someone out of a fear of losing to them. Collins was tough, with an iron will. But his claim to fame was beating faded versions of Benn and Eubank. He couldn't have out boxed Roy, he wasn't as fast or as skilled, and he would have been easy to find. It's laughable to suggest that Roy at 27, feared Collins at SMW, only to then go up to HW at 34, after 50 fights.


We've discussed Nunn before. Roy gave up his WBC belt, and wanted Holyfield at HW, but Holy wasn't interested at the time. So he agreed to fight Buster Douglas. But Big Roy intervened at the last minute. He speaks about it, on the documentary - Beyond the Glory. So I find it hard to believe that Roy ducked a 34-35 year old Michael Nunn, to fight at HW.


Roch is a strange one. I've looked online, in depth with regards to this. When Roy was interviewed regarding a potential DM fight, he said that he was frustrated about DM saying he wanted to fight, when nothing seemed to be happening. He was then asked about potentially fighting Roch. Roy said that he was more interested in DM, and he didn't think Roch would look to fight, so he wasn't really bothered about fighting him.

In Jan 2000, Roy was meant to be fighting Roch, but according to Murad Muhammad, he no showed for the press conference, and Murad pulled the plug. So David Telesco was brought in as a replacement. But Roch's camp said that he was ready to fight, and he'd been training for a while. But there were also reports that he'd been drinking, and his court case against the WBC was coming up. I've also found links where Kerry Davis said that they had pencilled in a fight, but Roch hadn't been ready on two previous occasions. I also know that HBO preferred a Telesco fight to a Roch one. So there's lots of contradicting statements there.


Jackson and Gerald were never really viable at 160, especially when Big Roy was still managing Roy. He wouldn't let Roy loose. Then after Roy had beaten Hopkins, he wanted big money, and he was outgrowing the division. When Roy moved up to 168, Gerald remained at 160, until the following year when he fought Nigel Benn. Due to the tragic outcome of that fight, he sadly never fought again. So you can't really say that Roy ducked both of those guys.


Again, Benn and Liles fights were extremely difficult to make, with King wanting future options, and The Levin's not wanting to deal with him.


You keep talking about Roy's chin, and how reluctant he was, but the facts are, he started out at LMW, and fought at HW at 34.


We've seen links where he met Tyson in Miami in 2003, and they discussed at length, a potential fight for the following year in 2004. Because at that point in time when they met, Tyson had a lot going on around him. He'd been inactive, he didn't have a trainer, he'd split from Shelly Finkle, he'd got an assault charge hanging over him, and most importantly, he'd got a huge lawsuit against Don King. But by the time he'd finally gotten back in the ring against Danny Williams in the Summer of 2004, Roy had already been knocked out by Tarver. Then just three months after the Tarver rematch, he was knocked out again by Glen Johnson. So with those two defeats, and with Mike also getting stopped by Williams, it killed the fight from ever taking place.


I'm certain that you'll take all of this information on board, and you'll change your views

 

:good

 

You seem to hate american fighters.:deal

Why is that:think


James Toney wasn't called lights out for nothing.

Last I checked Jones fought and beat him.

 

He couldn't have been feather fisted to a glass jawed, former 154 fighter though, could he?

Did Ruiz not hit as hard as Antonio Tarver and Glen Johnson?

He knocked Evander down. :good

 

Again, it doesn't matter if Ruiz didn't have a high knockout ratio against other HW's. Any HW at 220, is a big puncher to a 34 year old LHW.

When Roy signed to fight Ruiz, late in 2002, Byrd had just fought Holy for the vacant IBF, and Sanders hadn't got a belt. He didn't beat Wlad until the following year in 2003. Also, I've no doubt that if Roy had've fought for the WBO, you'd have said that it was worthless.

That's the problem with haters like yourself. You can't have it both ways. You're saying that Roy didn't beat THE HW champ in Lennox, and he only won a trinket belt against Ruiz.

So if the WBA was only a trinket, then why did you want him to fight Byrd or Sanders??

Again, Sanders became the WBO champ, which in your opinion must have been worth a packet of peanuts, and Byrd obtained the vacant IBF by beating Holyfield, after Lewis had been stripped of it.

So if you think about it, Roy's WBA belt was worth more than Byrd's IBF. Byrd hadn't beaten the IBF champ, in beating Lewis. I believe that was because Lewis didn't want the fight. So Byrd only won the belt after it had been vacated, whereas Roy had beaten the actual WBA champ, in beating Ruiz.

So out of the WBC, WBA, IBF and WBO belts, Roy's belt was second only to Lewis's WBC belt.


Why don't you list us all of the other 34 year old LHW champs who were queuing up to face Ruiz in 2003. :good

 

Don't you think Joe should have tried to force their hand at that point?

Joe was a consideration, they were willing to listen.

He should have moved up to 175, and gone to America at that point.

But he didn't.

Roy then ended up fighting Julio Gonzalez who was his mandatory, while Brad Jacobs and Kerry Davis of HBO, tried to make the DM fight.

Then after Joe had fought Will McIntyre, and the DM fight had fallen through, Roy then held talks with Holyfield, just prior to his third and final fight against Ruiz.

So Joe missed the boat.

He really should have let go of his WBO belt and really gone all out to get Roy.

In the end, Joe never became anything more than a possibility.

But with a few great performances, he could have got Roy and HBO interested in making the fight, or he could have found himself as a mandatory to one of Roy's three belts, like Clinton Woods.


I'm sure we've discussed this before, at some point.

 

I always thought it would have been a good idea for Calzaghe to have fought Tiger if he truly wanted a Jones fight. It may or may not have been doable/ viable, but I never hear it mentioned as a possibilty. Or perhaps some of the other European LHWs. Could have put some real meaning in his argument. Thoughts?

 

:deal

 

Plus, if beating Ruiz was so easy then why weren't other guys from the lower weight divisions queuing up to fight him for a chance to make history and for the massive pay check it garnered?

I await the argument that slappy Joe would beat Ruiz

 

I'll floor all of these fools.