Joe Calzaghe v Roy Jones Jnr 2002

you don't have to buy it. it's clear what he meant. the paper didn't show the full interview, so this was taken out of context. they do it all the time.

he's saying he doesn't want tough fights just for the sake of them, he wants to be paid as well. no fighter would admit to something like that in the way you're taking it. but continue to do so in your pursuits to protect a long time proven **** talker who dodged all the big fights by choice.

no, Joe actually said " Roy Jones, i'm looking for you, man. stop pretending and fight the best.i'm the best at Supermiddleweight so lets get it on, yeah"

i've just pulled the fight out to check.

Sep 2002?? i never mentioned any date! i don't know the exact times they took place. the first was definitely 2001 sometime. the second and third times where around 02, 03. in fact, they both may have been 02 because the Ruiz fight didn't come off for ages afterwards.
i don't keep a diary for things like this you know. this happened aver 10 years ago.

i have no idea what you're talking about with this Tournament. but if it was ONE of Wa55ens ideas, i'm not surprised you've jumped at it. it's your style. if you took everything that Jones and his team have said over time, you could make the most loopy book out of it. but i'll leave **** like that for the children of the forum world. :-(

i was talking about when they got together on Ringside recently. not 2008.

here we go with more of your links and ****... i watched all the build up at the time, i know what Jones said or didn't say. keep your shitty scraps and links to yourself.

i know what Joe said about Jones before they fought. that he wasn't what he used to be and that he wasn't interested in the fight at that point. and? what the **** has that got to do with anything? why are you posting that? you have a habit of posting pointless **** that doesn't even have anything to do with the points we're discussing.

****ing waste of time as usual. what you going to put next? that Joe used an expletive and that shows he didn't want to fight Roy? clown.

Jones could have made a counter offer because, erm, you want to fight the best maybe? that's what you're supposed to do. but oh no, Joe was a nobody who no one knew Blah Blah Blah, he was just a WBO belt holder Blah Blah Blah. save it. you try all you can to fight the best. Joe was one of the best. end of ****ing story. keep your pointless opinions to yourself. they're ****ing boring.

Tarver and Ruiz weren't ahead of him when they first tried to make the fight happen. those fights didn't even happen for another couple of years. clown.

Roy dismissed EVERY big fight that people wanted to see him in. the evidence can be found in the fact that he never got into the ring with any of them over an entire career. they called him out, he didn't want to fight. end of story.

Joe could have got a title fight in America could he? you make it all sound so simple don't you. why don't you become a promoter then to show them how it's done. clown.

no! the point is not about getting Tyson over to the UK, the point is that the big fight was right there for Bruno right off the bat. no silly **** like you suggest. if they told Frank to travel and have a few fights for less money, he MIGHT get the Tyson fight, they would have told them to go and **** themselves. clown

Showtime WERE impressed. Joe WAS willing to go over. if something concrete could have been put down, then Joe would have listened. but nothing was there. you don't drop your title and move up without any promises. and you don't take less money fighting the same guys at 168 for the same reasons. end of story. clown.

the same reasons would have existed regardless of who promoted Joe. so no, it isn't that simple. end of story.

so how did Stevenson get a straight shot at Dawson without ever fighting in his weight class??? and Joe was better and far more proven than he was. you fight the best out there, no excuses. end of story.

i'm sure they could have found a bit more money for the best Supermiddle out there. i mean, if they can pay $ 1 million for a load of unproven duds, i'm pretty sure that Joe would have been well worth doubling that up. but no, Jones didn't try to make the fight. there were no counter offers. end of story.

you sure put that to bed didn't you?? :rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

you came, with NOTHING! and i'm the deluded one? you're the one who lives in a fantasy! your opinions and simplistic ways of thinking are worth..... NOTHING!

lets hope you do much better in your next post. :good

 

Great post!

I agree, and I've actually mentioned this before, a few times.

DM became famous by being the other main fighter at 175, and although the WBO belt that he had wasn't really respected back then, it was the only belt that Roy didn't have at the weight.

Joe could have used DM to get to Roy.

Roy had absolutely no intentions of ever fighting in Germany.

But Joe fought there in 2005, and he fought in Denmark, in 2001.

If (and it was a big if) Joe had've beaten DM and taken his belt, and then he'd have fought in America and impressed, I'm sure that Roy and HBO would have been very interested.

There might have been a big demand for the fight.

If Joe had've beaten DM in the early 00's, his name would have been quickly forgotten, and Joe could have been the man to face.

It wasn't beyond the realms of possibility. :good

 

Exactly!

Roy didn't have to push his way to the front of the queue did he?

If Ruiz was fighting today, would any of the Super Six guys, or any of today's LHW's be signing to fight him?

I don't think so.

It was ten years ago since Roy beat Ruiz, and nothing much as happened since.

 

Assassin,

thanks for the reply.

I'll try and reply to you tomorrow, but it may have to be Friday now.

 

was there a demand for Ruiz vs Jones? no!
was there a demand for Pac vs Barrera 1? no!
was there a demand for Vitali vs Lewis? no!
was there a demand for Tarver vs Jones 1? no!
was there a demand for Martinez vs Murray? no!

you see what i mean now? it would have been a big fight no matter what **** you come out with. whether the demand was there or not is not relevant. Jones against the undefeated best guy at SM would have sold. people would have went to see it in the states. end of story.

"as in, you tell me" even though you've made the claim plenty of times like it was fact?
you ****ed up there didn't you, Mr. opinion.

and no, they saw the Sheika, Brewer, Mitchell, Veit fights as well. the proof? go to youtube and see the Showtime sign up, or with the Showtime commentary. they might have even showed more of his fights, i'll check when i have more time.
something else you're wrong about. it's another habit of yours.

ask any American fan on here? :rofl:rofl so, lets get this straight shall we... you got this information off ALL (a couple of hundred) the Yanks on here that Joe wasn't watched that much in America? right?

when did you ask them all? :rofl:rofl i haven't seen this. you're not, TALKING **** again are you? atsch

and how would they know how many people watched? do you know what, you're priceless you are. a genuine full carrot idiot. aren't you?

and lets pretend that this make believe situation actually happened... they would only lie any way. a lot on here like to **** on him. they wouldn't tell the truth because that would benefit Joe, so they would never do that.

but it never happened, so it doesn't matter. it only exists in your head.
what was that about me being delusional again?

if you weren't talking about Joe, who were you talking about?

Hatton WAS in a serious position after the Tszyu fight, but Ricky wanted a few more fights first.

if you were as intelligent as me, i wouldn't have to waste my ****ing time with this constant crap you always talk.

Roy dismissed more than a few fighters. it wasn't twenty, but it was a lot. they were the best guys out there... and we all know how Jones didn't like fighting the best don't we. his choice.

HBO were happy when he TRIED to make the DM and Hopkins fights? :rofl:rofl

you're a funny ****er who i can't take seriously. you must love Roy more than i even thought. jesus!

why would Joe try to fight Tarver? he was a nobody before he fought Jones. don't try and make out he was.

Wa55en could have gotten the big fights for Ricky after the Tszyu fights, no problem.

it was before that, that was the problem. not after. Ricky went a bit stale during his outings against Vilches and Pederson because he wanted to fight the better guys out there, but it was through no fault of wa55ens that the better fights didn't come off.
i won't go into it because this is about Jones, not Ricky.

Joe was in a perfect position to offer Hopkins his biggest pay check to date. the reason to why the fight never happened, was completely down to Bernard. not Joe.

yeah, you schooled the **** out of me there didn't you?

 

so you knew the point i was making, but still put a pointless post together? stick to the points in future instead of wasting time. your serious want in slagging Joe off is nothing more than tedious.

 

I've just read through your posts, and the second one made me laugh out loud.

If I was you, I'd edit them, because they're unbelievably weak.

I'm off to bed now, to dream about Roy and his roosters.

 

wrong! Wa55en had made 3 attempts before 2003 to get the Jones fight made.

i vaguely remember about the offer from Wa55en in 2007, but i thought we were talking about a prime Jones, so didn't mention it.

when they made those offers to Jones, the Ruiz and Tarver fights weren't even there yet. especially the first time. that was 2001.

the rest of the post is meaningless.

 

Assasin,

You can't possibly hold it against Roy for moving up to HW and fighting Ruiz instead of Joe.. That was a much bigger fight, historical significance, money, everything, it was just a bigger fight. Also, us here in America listen for years about Roy saying he was going to move up.. People were pissed, and there would have been an outrage had he fought Joe instead.

You also can't hold it against him for dropping to fight Tarver instead of Joe.. Tarver had publicly called Roy out in person, and he had done good work in the weight Roy was champion in.. He was much more deserving of the shot than Joe was, and It was a bigger fight as well.

 

**** your links! i don't care about them.

those fights could have been made easily. the best out there wanted them, so that was never a stumbling block. it was always down to Jones. his choice.

no matter what you say, it won't change the facts of things. your over zealous love for Roy won't help. i know you think the sun shines out of his arse and he can do no wrong, but you have to face up to the truth. he was big mouth ***** who used illegal drugs to get an edge, always saying what he was going to do but never doing it.

**** Jones!

 

to be perfectly honest with you, MR. nothing against you... but i'm bored of this **** now.

this is my last post on it. :good

 

Come on man, the subject is only 15 years old.

 

Guys, how about a bit of editing your posts into neat, succinct, memorable soundbites, much like I do?atsch

I haven´t been voted Poster of the Year thrice for nothing. My posts are clear, crisp, and straight to the point. :deal They are not some mundane tedious list which gives the reader a squint.:rofl

 

Calzaghe did a great job of boxing in beating Jones, Hopkins and Lacy...........

 

RJJ would win..but Calzaghe is an elite fighter himself...