Joe Calzaghe v Roy Jones Jnr 2002

Has nothing to do with the belts. Since Lennox Lewis was THE Heavyweight Champion the WBA belt was worthless at Heavyweight at that time. Even more worthless because it was held by John Ruiz who Roy handpicked. Roy didn't fight Lennox Lewis. He handpicked the least threat and won what was a trinket at best. Most of the belts Jones won in his career were either trinkets or vacant belts that in reality belonged to other fighters which Jones would not face.

Do you understand this? He knew what he was doing. Just like how he attempted to get Glen Johnson's trinket IBF Light Heavyweight belt and call himself a 'champion' again but he failed miserably getting brutally and embarrassingly KOed for 6 minutes.

Roy knew what he was doing. He had no interest in taking the long road to glory. Always looking to manipulate the system and take the path of least resistance.

 

You haven't answered the questions.


What value do you place on the WBO, if the WBA was a trinket?


How many savage punchers were they out there for him to face?


Ruiz wasn't handpicked.


Lewis was interested in Roy before Vitali, but then retired after he'd had a hard fight against him, and gave a statement saying how he'd lost the hunger to fight again.


Roy wasn't bothered about Johnson's title, he just wanted to get into the ring as soon as possible, to eradicate his defeat to Tarver.


Again, if all Roy did was collect trinkets, then what about Joe's career from 1993-2007???


Did he not take the path of least resistance, hugging the WBO belt, fighting the likes of Kabary Salem at 33 years of age?


Answer the above questions, and I'll answer yours.


You must have considered the WBO belt, as been absolutely worthless.

 

I answered it with my first sentence. So, you are telling me in the 5 divisions Roy fought in there was not one savage puncher for him to face? :roflatsch

Ruiz was absolutely handpicked and if Roy wanted to really make history he would have fought Lennox Lewis. Not John Ruiz.

 

You said "Most of the belts that Roy won in his career were trinkets and vacant belts."

So again, what the hell was Joe carrying, if Roy's belts were trinkets??

I asked you how many savage punchers they were, and said that I'll debate them with you.

Ruiz wasn't handpicked, and you can keep saying that he was over and over, but it's not going to make it true. How could he have fought Lewis, if Lewis had decided to retire?

 

:roflatsch

He wasn't retired in March of 2003 when Roy fought Ruiz.

we named the savage punchers pages ago and you mumbled some nonsensical excuse like you always do with your opinion thrown in. :rofl

 

The Ruiz fight was signed late in 2002, and they fought in March, as you've noted.


Lewis fought Vitali in June 2003.


Between March and June, Lewis congratulated Roy, but said that a fight with him, would be a bridge too far.

He was confident of beating Roy, and he was up for a fight towards the end of the year, for huge money.

He also spoke of fighting up to three more times.


He then struggled with Vitali.


Then after the fight, Roy's team met with Lewis's team, and Roy and Lewis spoke to each other directly.


But in the end, Lewis decided to retire.

He didn't retire and say that Roy had messed him around, or he'd priced himself out of a fight. He didn't say that he wanted Roy, but Roy had stopped the fight from taking place.

He didn't say any of the above.


He retired, saying that he'd lost the hunger and the motivation, and he thought it was the right time to let go.


Everything above, is all factual information.


Why can't you tell me your value of the WBO?


Name ALL of the savage punchers that Roy should have fought, and we'll debate them.

 

:rofl:rofl:rofl

 

Still waiting to hear how many savage punchers Calzhage faced.

James Tony wasn't called 'LIGHTS OUT' for his back rubs and soothing presence..

RJJ was a savage puncher at 168....which is why Joe stayed the fu.ck away from him until he was cold-****ed TWICE.

Joe actually fough the LOSER of an elimination bout:rofl:rofl:rofl

 

:deal

 

There were big concerns as to how Roy could move up and handle Toney's and Ruiz' power.. Being that Jones was a former JMW..

I am going to go out on a limb and say a well placed Toney counter punch could be a pretty savage punch. Ask Michael Nunn if Toney can bang...

With the weight advantage Ruiz had, we seen him hurt iron chinned Holyfield, he was a savage puncher to Roy.. I don't want to hear about Ruiz' lack of knockouts over OTHER HWs.. Roy was not a HW.

Roy was not glass jawed until somewhere between Tarver 1 and G. Johnson

 

Roy was Glass Jawed his whole career and he and his Daddy knew it. It explains a lot of the maneuvering he did and why he made certain fights and not others. Reluctant Roy was scared to fight power punchers. He also took the path of least resistance and was a convicted Steroid Cheat.

 

Maybe Jones would let Joe carry his spitbucket.

 

Calzaghe obliterated Jones when they fought. And that wasn't a Prime Calzaghe either.