Joe Calzaghe v Roy Jones Jnr 2002

Glass jawed Roy took some pretty good shots from Toney, Ruiz, Hopkins, Tarver, Griffin without going down... Across 4 weights.

Are you not a Vitali fan? Is he not a steroid cheat?

 

Obliterated??:huh

That is what Tarver and Johnson did...dudes Joe didn't go near.


Name the "savage punchers" Joe fought....:hi:

 

Roy's spit bucket would knock Joe the fu.ck out.

 

Dont take offence but here you go again, posting on what you think and trying to use it as an angle in a debate. Do you not learn atsch?
This is why its hard to take you too seriously.

 

I can't believe this debate is 30 pages LOL, must be some of Glass Joes countrymen in here

 

I always thought RJJ had a glass jaw, even though he was my favorite fighter. It wasn't until Ruiz and Tarver 1 that I changed my mind. RJJ took two consective huge right hands from Ruiz in the first round, the second one had an effect, but he came back punching, later as they warmed up the punches did nothing, mind you Ruiz wasnt landing on his significantly, but it did happen SOME times. The first tarver fight, jones took big shots. I think the weight affected him, and while he pulled out the victory, he looked his age and I think he took too many shots and it ruined it.

 

I remember the Ruiz shots.. I was impressed how well he handled them.

Do you remember the shot he took from Toney in rd 5? I think it was a left hand, alot like the one that put Nunn down..

Montell Griffin popped him really good I think it was round 2..

I don't think his chin was iron, but certainly not glass..

 

calazghe dd the right thing by not fighting Jones when he was primed, he wouldve been KO'd. Cal was what Mayweather became, ducked an obvious steroid cheat who was not playing on an even playing field. or at least, this is the opinion of people on this forum.

 

I had seen his other fights, just never payed much attention to it, because him being hit rarely happened, so whats 1 or 2 punches that lands clean? I know Griffin landed a lot with big shots, but I just wasnt thinking of him at the time, besides he wasnt KOing anyone, but a glass jawed would have gotten KO'd from those shots.

 

u mustve missed that reggie johnson fight just before jones won every round against him

 

atsch

That's common knowledge, if you know anything about boxing.

Do some research.


I see that you're having great difficulty in answering two simple questions that I've asked you.

 

Bailey,

I said that Roy wasn't interested in the end, as the fight never got made, and Roy went and did other things. Yes, Roy's camp listened to a few proposals, but nothing ever came of them. In 2001, Joe was an option for Roy. But Roy's team tried to make a DM fight with HBO's Kerry Davis. When that fell through, he fought his mandatory in Julio Gonzalez, and then at the end of the year he held talks with Holyfield, just prior to his fight with Ruiz.

In 2002, they again looked at Frank's proposal. They considered it, but then went with Ruiz. So again, Roy's team and HBO weren't interested. Do you understand? They were willing to listen, and they were willing to have brief discussions, but in the end, they weren't interested. Otherwise, they'd have tried to make the fight.

Roy's LHW belts wouldn't have been on the line in 2002, IF Roy had've gone back to 168. The keyword there is IF.

What I'm saying is, if Joe had've moved up to 175 and made waves in the division, then he'd have stood a better chance of getting the fight.

He never had a realistic chance of fighting Roy, while he was defending the WBO at 168.

What has that got to do with Joe's circumstances?

Roy gave up his belt in the hope of fighting Holyfield in 97. Holyfield said that he wasn't interested. He then got the opportunity to fight Buster Douglas in 98, but Big Roy intervened at the last minute, and he told Roy he didn't want him to go ahead with it. It was the first time they'd spoke in 6 years. Roy then went on to fight Hill at a catchweight, because it would have been too difficult for him to make 175.

I know that Collins was chasing Roy, but Roy wasn't interested, because he couldn't unify, and Collins had the lightly regarded WBO that Joe ended up with.

I've just spoke about Nunn. Again, Roy dropped the belt to go to HW.

Eubank didn't want Roy.

Again, Benn was with King, and he moved to 175 after that fight wasn't made.

DM never chased Roy. He had the opportunity to go to America to fight Roy, but passed it up to fight Hall and Joey De Grandis etc.

Erdei??

Just because the above fights didn't come off, it didn't mean that Joe couldn't have got the fight if he'd really pushed for it.

You keep showing me all these links, and they prove that Joe was a consideration. So he had his foot in the door. So again, if he'd have been better known, or a mandatory, or there'd have been a big demand for the fight, we might have seen it.

Joe simply didn't do enough.

He never fought at Roy's weight, or in America until he was 36, in 2008.

The fight was never going to happen.

Roy and HBO were never interested enough to make it.

 

Ha!

This is COMMON KNOWLEDGE.


Roy's world had come crashing down against Tarver. It was his only real defeat in 50 fights. Nobody could believe it.

His aura of invincibility had been shattered, and his pride had been dented.

He signed to fight Johnson in July of 2004, just two months after Tarver.


Antonio Tarver said that Roy had come back too quickly against Johnson. He said that just prior to their third fight in October 2005.


Alton Merkerson said that Roy wasn't motivated for Johnson.


Thomas Hauser said that Roy hadn't trained properly for the fight.


Big Roy also said that Roy had hardly trained for the fight.


Roy himself says that the ringside doctor told him that he was completely dehydrated, because he'd had such a hard time making the weight.


Roy wasn't physically or mentally prepared to fight Glen Johnson at that point.


You saw the fight. Don't try and tell me that Roy wouldn't have cruised to an easy victory, under different circumstances, pre Ruiz.

Glen beat Roy, then lost to Clinton Woods.


Roy at his peak, beat Hopkins, Toney, Reggie Johnson, Griffin, Hill, and he beat Ruiz and Tarver.

He barely lost rounds at his peak.


But yet Glen dominated Roy for 9 rounds, and then knocked him cold.

He barely lost a round, but then couldn't win a single one against Glen?


It was painfully obvious that Roy wasn't his usual self.


This is what Stanley Levin said in 2006. "It's sad to see Roy like he is now, getting knocked out against the likes of Tarver and Glen Johnson. 50% of the old Roy, would have beaten a guy like Johnson."


Roy was just going through the motions.


He didn't take the fight because he desperately wanted Glen's IBF belt, that he used to have.


He took the fight at short notice, just to get back in the ring as soon as possible, to try and get back to winning ways, to wipe away Tarver's crushing defeat.


If you don't know that, that you don't know much about boxing.

 

Rico went silent with me after I proved to him that Calzaghe's claim to the LHW division was only winning one of Roy's past "trinket" belts..

He was wanting someone to argue why Roy's WBA HW belt was better than Joe's ring LHW belt..

I brought up the fact that Roy held both of those at the same time..

He just changes the subject and talks about Roy's glass jaw.:yep

Astonishing really, can you believe there was a time when Roy Jones was rated #1 at LHW and #3 at HW at the same time!!!:yikes

What a feat for a glass jawed joke that used to be a JMW..atsch