Joe Calzaghe v Roy Jones Jnr 2002

Bailey,

We've all read your links countless times.

Ha! Whatever you're currently doing for a living, you need to stop immediately.

You need to stop and become a lawyer.

We know that it doesn't say that in the link, but it doesn't have to does it?

We know it was a factor. He was relatively unknown in America, until 2006, and he didn't even fight in Roy's weight class. There was no demand for the fight.

You've said yourself in a previous post, that Joe HAD to fight Peter Manfredo at 35, as a PR exercise to get Hopkins.

He HAD to fight Manfredo to build up interest in America.

That's a fact! I've seen Frank W discuss it numerous times. They were trying to make up for lost time. He made him fight Peter Manfredo, because The Contender series was popular, and Joe hadn't built up interest earlier in his career.

Ha! How can I not be right?

I said that IN THE END, Roy and HBO weren't interested.

That's a fact, because in the end, they went with other options.

How can the link support what I'm saying anyway?

The link is only from a certain time period.

At the time of the link, Joe was an option, and they considered him.

But history has shown us that in the end, they didn't.

You're hilarious! You're just arguing for the sake of it.

Ha!

Again, history as shown us that they went with another option in the end.

Of course it does you lunatic! If they'd have been interested, and they'd have wanted the fight, they'd have made it. But they didn't.

It's not just my opinion.

Yes, Roy's dealt with Don a few times. The last time was when he fought Trinidad. But the Ruiz fight was 8 years after a Benn fight couldn't be made, and Roy's circumstances had changed.

I've given you a detailed account. Roy wanted Holyfield, and then he signed to fight Douglas.

Is that all you've got to say regarding the timeline?

DM was the WBO champ. Roy had the IBF, WBC, and the WBA, and he was recognised as the World's best fighter. Why should Roy have had to travel to Germany?

I didn't expect him to, but it's the only chance he had of fighting Roy for big money.

Stanley Levin wasn't with Roy at that point. His brother Fred was in the background, but his promoter at that point was Murad Muhammad.

If Roy had the IBF, but couldn't get the WBA or the WBC belts, why would he have been bothered about the WBO?

That's right, and it was just due to circumstances, which you never allow for.

I'm not backtracking at all. I said that he was RELATIVELY unknown, and there was no demand for a fight. Again, Roy and HBO briefly considered him, but then went with other options, TWICE.

That's right, there was no guarantee. But here's the thing, if he didn't do any of that, then he was GUARANTEED to NOT get the fight. In the end, that's what happened.

Yes, that could POTENTIALLY have happened if he'd have come to Britain. But again, in the end, he wasn't interested in doing that.

Show you where? Joe was dismissed twice. Once in 2001, and then again in 2002. Roy and HBO weren't INTERESTED! They tried to make the DM fight, and then Roy fought Gonzalez. Then in 2002, Roy's other options were Tarver and Ruiz, and he went with Ruiz. Again, in the end, they weren't INTERESTED!

You don't need a statement from Roy and HBO saying that they weren't interested do you? We know they weren't, by Roy's actions.

Of course they weren't interested in the Frazier fight.

Ha! Show you what?

Who?


Assassin is deluded, Rico's a hater, who else?


General Zod?


He highlighted three examples, of where I'd supposedly passed my opinions off as facts, in a post about three months ago.

But each sentence that he highlighted, said "I think.." at the beginning.

So I obviously wasn't trying to pass of my opinions as facts in those examples that he used.


Who else is there??


This has all started, from when I told you that Roy had future plans to fight Virgill Hill, while he was preparing for the first Montell Griffin fight.

When you'd read my post, you told me to stop passing my opinion off as a fact.

I explained to you at the time, that Roy had given an interview in Jan 97, while he was preparing for Griffin, and had said that he was looking to face Hill afterwards.

He said it in an interview, which I'd read, and then I used the information in my post. The links were posted on a previous thread, that Zod himself had originally sourced.

If I write something on here that you aren't aware of, it doesn't automatically mean that it's not factual, and it's just my opinion.


Again, the majority of my posts contain factual information.

My detailed, informative posts, contain plenty of facts.


I can school deluded haters, any day of the week. :good

 

:deal

 

You are jumping in on a quote to Loudon and have probably missed half of the debate.

When did Jones agree to fight Calzaghe in a one off fight?

There was talk of him going to SMW for a fight with Calzaghe where his LHW titles would not be at risk, but it didnt happen.

Read the link I posted

So first you try and make out Calzaghe wasnt interested and now you say Jones wasnt.

If he called him out in a mag and took the time to do it. Im sure he wanted the fight.

You note that Jones didnt want to go to Germany to fight the champ

 

I always felt like DM should have been fully motivated to come to the US, get back his belts he was wrongfully stripped of, and beat the pest fighter on the planet, and go down as an ATG..

He took a different path.

 

He took the best path available for his sorry as.s..

 

I don't even think he was wrongfully stripped. The common misconception is that he was given 30 days to defend his new title when he was given 30 days to decide if he wanted to defend. His promoter had a very tight relationship with the WBO so he chose to defend his belt against Nicky Piper instead of the far more dangerous Lou Del Valle. Then acts like the belts were stolen when they stripped him.

 

I thought Tiger was clearly the second best fighter in the division for most of Jones' LHW reign.. Its a shame it didn't happen..

I have read a quote from Kohl saying they would not change their plans for Roy... Sad.

 

Would it have sold here though? Jones was selling 90k PPV's at the time. HBO was losing money on his fights and did so for a while.

 

I had not heard this. And always wondered why on earth they would make him defend so fast..

 

HBO was losing money? Maybe on his infrequent PPVs but definitely not on his HBO bouts.

 

He would of had to have a fight here first... But I was a casual fan back then and knew of him.. I am sure it would have been a pretty big fight.

DM was one of 4 options HBO was pushing on Roy.

 

I remember it as well as I remember his UD over Hill. And his team ran a nice little PR campaign that worked until he started fighting Jones leftovers and looking worse. I think people stopped paying attention after that -- except on these boards where Jones slept with the mothers of a few posters.

 

Laughable for someone to say with a straight face that HBO wasn't interested in some fights but were interested in Roy fighting Otis Grant, Richard Hall, Glen Kelly, and Richard Frazier :rofl:rofl

Someone needs to dig up the Kerry Davis article where he said Roy duped and manipulated them into showing a bunch of non competitive fights against Mandatory or handpicked optional fights and said Roy was simply Reluctant to make competitive fights.

Hence, why they changed the way they did deals with fighters after Roy's contract ran out because he screwed it up for everyone else by not wanting to fight any legit threats probably because they "punched too hard" atsch

 

Again, more mindless opinion with no facts..

Below is a list of the LHW top 10 year by year, i put in bold the ones Roy duped people into believing were good fighters during his HBO run....atsch

1998 @ LHW
Roy Jones Jr.
Dariusz Michalczewski
Reggie Johnson
Graciano Rocchigiani
Lou Del Valle
Eric Harding
Montell Griffin
Michael Nunn
Antonio Tarver
David Telesco




1999 @ LHW
Roy Jones Jr.
Dariusz Michalczewski
Lou Del Valle
Reggie Johnson
Graciano Rocchigiani
Michael Nunn
Eric Harding
Antonio Tarver
David Telesco
Montell Griffin



2000 @ LHW
Roy Jones Jr.
Dariusz Michalczewski
Eric Harding
Reggie Johnson
David Telesco
Montell Griffin
Chris Johnson
Antonio Tarver
Greg Wright
Derrick Harmon



2001 @ LHW
(Roy Jones Jr. - Champion)
Dariusz Michalczewski
Eric Harding
Reggie Johnson
Montell Griffin
Antonio Tarver
Julio Cesar Gonzalez
Bruno Girard
Lou Del Valle
Clinton Woods
Derrick Harmon



2002 @ LHW
(Roy Jones Jr. - Champion)
Antonio Tarver
Dariusz Michalczewski
Eric Harding
Montell Griffin
Reggie Johnson
Bruno Girard
Julio Cesar Gonzalez
David Telesco
Lou Del Valle
George Khalid Jones

a lot of bold glaring at you there... It would seem he fought more than just trash cans.