Joe Calzaghe v Roy Jones Jnr 2002

Where are Otis Grant, Richard Hall, Glen Kelly, and Richard Frazier on that list? And there is another glaring name on there also who "punched too hard"

 

Richard Hall, Glen Kelly and Richard Frazier were mandatories.

 

Roy never made such a claim...

And tried to get DM to come fight him..

Richard Hall gave DM a very tough fight.. Did you watch it?

Still you ignore the fact that Roy beat some very good fighters on HBO.. They were not as unhappy with him as you make it sound.. If they were, why on earth are they paying him to commentate?

 

Do most fighters have some bums on their resume? Simple yes or no..

 

Bailey,

You'd cause an argument in an empty house.

Joe was never interested enough, to really chase Roy as hard as he could.

It's a joke that you think Joe really wanted him, when he didn't even fight in Roy's division.

I know that Roy wasn't interested in the end, and so does everyone else, because he went with other options.

You've been shown the timeline.

Why do you keep referring to him as the champ? No, Roy didn't want to go to Germany, and why should the best fighter in the World, that held the WBA, IBF and WBC belts have had to travel?

The onus was on DM.

 

RJJ clearly wanted no part of Greg Wright and George Khalid Jones.

 

Calling someones name is talk..

Chasing is an action..

Actions speak louder than words..

I don't think Joe ever physically chased Roy Jones.. You do this by showing up in person, or beating someone in their weight when you call their name...

Collins and Tarver chased Roy.

 

Ha! :good

 

Going to add some fuel to the fire:-

1997 @ SMW
Frankie Liles
--Robin Reid
--Charles Brewer
Joe Calzaghe
Herol Graham
Vincenzo Nardiello
Thulani Malinga
Thomas Tate
--Chris Eubank
Joseph Kiwanuka

1998 @ SMW
Frankie Liles
Joe Calzaghe
--Richie Woodhall
Sven Ottke
--Charles Brewer
--Robin Reid
Thomas Tate
Vincenzo Nardiello
Andrej Shkalikov
Vinny Pazienza

1999 @ SMW
Sven Ottke
Joe Calzaghe
--Byron Mitchell
Markus Beyer
--Charles Brewer
Thomas Tate
Frankie Liles
--Richie Woodhall
--Robin Reid
Glenn Catley

2000 @ SMW
Sven Ottke
Joe Calzaghe
Bruno Girard
--Charles Brewer
Thomas Tate
Dave Hilton Jr.
Dingaan Thobela
Glenn Catley
--Byron Mitchell
James Butler

2001 @ SMW
Sven Ottke
Joe Calzaghe
--Byron Mitchell
Antwun Echols
--Charles Brewer
Thomas Tate
Eric Lucas
Mads Larsen
Manny Siaca
Markus Beyer

2002 @ SMW
Joe Calzaghe
Sven Ottke
Antwun Echols
Eric Lucas
--Byron Mitchell
--Charles Brewer
Mads Larsen
Manny Siaca
Anthony Mundine
Markus Beyer

2003 @ SMW
Joe Calzaghe
Sven Ottke
Anthony Mundine
Antwun Echols
Danny Green
--Byron Mitchell
Markus Beyer
--Charles Brewer
Mads Larsen
--Robin Reid

2004 @ SMW
Joe Calzaghe
--Mikkel Kessler
Anthony Mundine
Antwun Echols
Danny Green
--Jeff Lacy
Mads Larsen
--Robin Reid
Markus Beyer
Manny Siaca

2005 @ SMW
Joe Calzaghe
--Mikkel Kessler
--Jeff Lacy
Markus Beyer
Anthony Mundine
Danny Green
Manny Siaca
Otis Grant
--Robin Reid
Librado Andrade

2006 @ SMW
Joe Calzaghe, Champion
--Mikkel Kessler
Anthony Mundine
--Jeff Lacy
Markus Beyer
Librado Andrade
Lucian Bute
Carl Froch
Allan Green
Denis Inkin
--Peter Manfredo Jr.

2007 @ SMW
Joe Calzaghe, Champion
--Mikkel Kessler
Anthony Mundine
Lucian Bute
--Jeff Lacy
Librado Andrade
Carl Froch
Allan Green
--Sakio Bika
Denis Inkin
Jean Pascal

 

Roy all day

 

It would appear that Roy has a stronger LHW resume than Calzaghe does a SMW resume... When looking at the top 10 anyway.:yep

 

depends, does Roy get to use steroids or not?

 

Bailey,

This is getting really silly now, and we're just going around in circles. The other members have got to be getting bored reading the same information over and over.

How am I doing that?

How can it just be my opinion, that in the end, Roy and HBO weren't interested??

Again, you don't need an exact statement.

If Roy and HBO WERE interested, and DID want to fight Joe, then why did they try to make the DM fight instead, and why did Roy end up fighting Julio Gonzalez?

In 2002, why did Roy say that is was either Tarver or Ruiz next, in his post fight interview after beating Clinton Woods?

It's hilarious that you're asking for a statement, when Roy dismissed him twice.

There wasn't a demand for the fight in America. Roy wasn't looking to do anything, he just considered Frank's proposal along with his other options at the time. In the end, he didn't come down in weight and fight in Britain, because he had better options. There wasn't interest in fights with Grant and Frazier, why do you keep mentioning them?

It did build further interest, which again, needed to happen, because he hadn't made the effort to raise his U.S. profile earlier on in his career. It was a joke, that a guy of Joe's abilities, had to fight a guy from 'The Contender' at 35.

No, it's you who tries to do like for like comparisons, when everybody has a different set of circumstances surrounding them.

The difference between Roy fighting Mike Tyson, and Joe, is that Roy CONSIDERED fighting Joe, but he really WANTED to fight Mike. Both he and Mike desperately wanted that fight, and they spoke on the phone numerous times, and then met in Miami face to face. They had in depth discussions, and wanted to fight each other in 2004. But as previously mentioned, there were a number of obstacles preventing the fight, and then both fighters ended up getting knocked out, (Roy twice) which killed the fight from ever happening.

Again, Roy considered Joe, but then went with other options. Therefore, the circumstances were completely different. Why do you have such a hard time allowing for different sets of circumstances?

The PROOF is that HBO tried to make the DM fight instead, and Roy went on to fight SOMEBODY ELSE!

In 2002, the exact same thing happened.

Stop being stupid!

Again, why do you keep mentioning Frazier? We know that they weren't happy with the Frazier fight. Nobody was.

I'm not getting into the whole Manny-Floyd saga again, I'm sick of it. But my thoughts are, that Floyd never really wanted it.

I don't get anything confused, it's you who sticks to stats, and never allows for circumstances.

Why have you mentioned Zod, when I cleared that up yesterday?

I'll bump the thread if you want.

Zod was MISTAKEN with the examples that he gave.

I've proven that to you.

This makes me wonder how old you are, and how you get on in life. People's circumstances change. In 1995, Roy was 26, and was handled by The Levin's. They didn't want Roy to tie in with King, and give him future options at that time. But in 2003, Roy was 34, and looking for huge paydays, with a different promoter/advisor, in Murad Muhammad. Roy also signed with Don King for the Trinidad fight in 2008, when he was 40 years old. So what? He's used Don a few times, when he's thought that it would be beneficial to use him. But he's always been very wary of him. He's made numerous comments over the years, saying how careful he had to be dealing with him, saying things such as "Don will make you a lot of money, but he'll also take a lot of money." Again, the Ruiz fight was eight years later, and Roy's CIRCUMSTANCES had changed.

How have I skated around the question? I've given you a detailed account! Nunn was the number 1 contender to the winner of Roy vs Griffin for the WBC belt. But after the controversy from their first fight in March of 97, Nunn had to wait for the winner of the rematch in August of 97. When Roy won the rematch, Nunn was made mandatory to Roy. But Roy had already thought about going up to HW, before he'd beaten Griffin in the rematch. He also spoke of fighting Holyfield in his post fight press conference. When the Holyfield fight didn't come off, he'd already made his mind up to fight at HW. So he vacated his title and then ended up signing to fight Buster Douglas.

AT THE TIME of negotiations, Roy was the unified 175 champ. DM was not the champ. He just held the lightly regarded WBO belt. The crowd would have been bigger in Germany, because it probably would have been held in a football stadium. If the fight had been in America, I suspect that it probably would have been in Vegas. Yes, they are just my OPINIONS only.

 

Bailey,

Part 2.

Roy fought Joe in 2008, because Joe was respected as an elite fighter then after Lacy and Kessler, and it was the biggest fight that Roy could have at 175, at that point in his career, at nearly 40 years old. So yes, I suspect that Roy that bothered about The Ring Title. He took the fight because it was a big fight, and if he'd have won, it would have put him back on top.

Toney was classed as one of the best fighters in the World. Roy was 25, Toney was 26, they were both undefeated, and it was a big fight.

Collins wasn't classed as an elite guy, and his claim to fame was beating faded versions of Benn and Eubank.


Can you not see the difference in the circumstances?


Joe = One last shot at the big time, against an elite guy.


Toney = An opportunity to prove to the World, just how great he was against an undefeated, elite fighter. (It was Roy's coming out party)


Collins = ?


Roy badly wanted Toney and Joe, but wasn't bothered about Collins, and went up to 175 instead.

POTENTIALLY, IF Roy had have been INTERESTED enough to come over. IF is the biggest word in the dictionary. In the end, he wasn't interested in doing that. It would have been a big fight in Britain. But it wouldn't have been a big fight on a global scale.

There's no guarantees in life. But without either moving up the 175 rankings, or impressing in America, he was never going to get Roy. Defending his 168, WBO belt in Britain wasn't ever going to get him a fight with the World's best fighter in the early 00's. We know what happened. History has proven that I'm right. He never got that fight, because again, in the end, Roy and HBO weren't interested enough to make it.

How many more times?????? Roy wasn't interested, in the end!

I was referring to 2002, when Roy's options after Woods, were either Tarver or Ruiz.

You're just making yourself look stupid.

Unfortunately it did, but it was a mandatory.

Two of those guys have got zero credibility on this forum, and Zod was MISTAKEN, as again, I proved to you yesterday.

Go through my posts and tell me which bits are just my opinion, without being silly.

I don't post my opinions off as facts.


You only say this for two reasons:


1. You're not always aware of the information that I post, so you claim it's only my opinion.


2. You don't want to lose a debate, so you claim that it's only my opinion.


So I'll set you a challenge.


Go through my posts, and tell me which pieces of information that I've tried to pass of as facts, that are in fact, only my opinions.

How can I agree, when I've proven that he was mistaken?

They tried to make ANOTHER FIGHT, AND THEN WATCHED ROY FIGHT SOMEBODY ELSE, ON TWO OCCASIONS!


What more do you want?



If I was selling a car, you could come and look around it, and then take it for a spin.


You could then say "It's not bad, I'll think about it."


I could then not hear from you, and then see you a few months later in a different car.


What you're saying about Roy and HBO, would be the equivalent of my car still being for sale, and me saying to my girlfriend "I've seen Bailey today driving a car, and he never got back to me after he'd took ours for a spin a few months ago. Although, he definitely didn't say to me that HE WASN'T INTERESTED IN BUYING IT, so he may come back."

Ha!

It's ridiculous!

 

Who's said that HBO were happy with the Grant, Hall, Kelly and Frazier fights??

Again, when did Kerry Davis say that?

Because they were happy with the Johnson, Del Valle, Hill, Telesco, Tarver and Ruiz fights, and Davis went out of his way to make the DM fight.

Roy fought on HBO over 25 times.


Why do you keep referring to Roy Snr's supposed opinion, when he split with Roy in 1992?


Did Tyson not punch too hard?

That fight would probably have happened in 2004, if Roy hadn't been destroyed by Tarver and Glen Johnson, and Mike hadn't been knocked out by Danny Williams.


Did John Ruiz not punch hard?

He was 226, and knocked Evander down, who'd got a great chin.


Do you think Julian Jackson punched harder than Ruiz?


Do you think Tarver and Johnson punched harder than Ruiz?