Do you think Juan Manuel Marquez was/is juicing?

He leveled the playing field aganist PEDcquiao.

 

JMM was obviously using, men in their late thirties do not pack on 10-15 lbs of muscle over a couple months. To say he wasn't using is to know nothing about steroids and/or nature. Top athletes use PEDs. They're called that for a reason, then enhance performance. It's how peak performance is extended into the mid to late thirties. It's the nature of sport now, accept it, or buy into the myths of sporting commissions that steroids are single isolated cases. Marquez has a trainer who undoubtedly knows several chemists. He was well supplied with PEDs. Just like every other fighter--they shop for chemists.


Even using, JMM was going to beat Pacman that night, who was probably using as well.
Every athlete has always cheated and forever will. If Dempsey could have used steroids as opposed to rubbing brine on his face and whatever else he did to gain an advantage, he would have. So everybody needs to quit bullshitting and accept it.

 

10 - 15lb? are you high?
He was the same weight as vs Mayweather but a bit less flabby and a bit more muscle... we are talking about a shift of maybe 4lb.

Simple diet and then some hypertrophy work would have done it... no juice needed for that.

That said seeing as all fighters are on PEDs and JMM was on juice way before he met angel, the body is a result of a different training program.

 

A different type of cycle maybe. The **** he is drinking is radioactive now. He's doing legal drugs, but use the eye test. You lean down four to six and add seven to ten in lean mass. That's a huge shift right there, and people don't change their body comp like that at that age naturally.

Look at the Fedchenko weigh in then the Pac 4 weigh in, he drops maybe 3% body fat and adds a chunk of muscle that people that age don't add in that timeframe.

 

You are either a troll or just incredibly dumb.

You really think you go from some decent definition to shredded with a 4lb decrease of fat and a 10lb increase in muscle mass?
Honestly have you ever lifted a weight in your life?

I already agree hes on PEDs but so are all fighters.... he did a shift of maybe 4lb of lean body mass while losing 3 to 4lb of fat.

In the end he was still 143lb vs Pac which is 1lb over what he was vs Mayweather.... and you are saying there is a 10lb muscle mass increase you honestly need help.
He never had that much fat to lose to regain in muscle to come in that weight.

Never ceases to amaze me how uneducated people on this board are when it comes to training, nutrition and drugs.

 

I do believe he did just for the 4th fight.

I don't like cheating but in this case, im glad it happened this way because its the ultimate karma lesson to pacquiao for avoiding those tests

 

Who isn't?

 

put all the circumstantial evidence and its hard not to suspect. he has a high level conditioner who's specialty is beating the most stringent testing by being ahead of the game and creating undetectable drugs , you have a man who it seemed was willing to do anything to get his hand raised at any cost...overly obsessive, yet who became defensive over the testing... most suspicious, he looked like he was eating tortillas the last time he fought at that weight, comes in looking similarly to a roided Fernando Vargas (who faced De La Hoya) in a 4th bout against Pac. Add to the destructive punching power he developed by merely adding weights in a few months, even from his training sessions, deflating speed bag after speed bag and ultimately Pacquiao. it was very apparent from the beginning Pacquiao was not prepared to handle JMM's power. How many decent punchers has Pacquiao faced now? Mosley, DLH, Cotto, Clottey, Margarito and the one who him knocks him down and KO's him out cold is JMM? Again, too many coincidences...

 

you don't pick up a hooker to come and clean your house.

 

Honestly, yes but, then again no. Hard to say.

 

Why else would someone hire the Michael Jordan of customized PEDs who helps circumvent detection for pro athletes? For conditioning? LOL! Are people that naive?

Vargas, Margarito, Salido, Marquez, etc are all cut from the same cloth and cheated to gain any edge possible.

 

Only stupid MarqOIDS fans will say no of course. :hat

 

Perhaps Juan cheated by giving Manny some Mexican jumping beans before the bout.

Silly Pac ate them of course and they caused him to jump face first into Juan's oncoming fist.

Them Mexican jumping beans outta be banned before someone gets hurt...or KO'd



As to Juan using PED's it's clear he probably currently is, and perhaps didn't use them in the past based on his previous appearance and performance, as well as his advanced age in the sport. I think his rivalry with Pac finally convinced him to level the field, as his best previous performance MP III could was so close and could easily have been argued in JMM favor yet was still another loss to Pac on his record. It's hard to blame him really and it is likely that almost all the top guys are using some type of PED's.

 

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