Could any modern middleweight beat Ketchel under his own rules?

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  1. cross_trainer

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    Is the thong piece optional ?
     
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  3. cross_trainer

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    I see where this is going.

    No, Unforgiven, you may not pick Laila Ali.
     
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  5. cross_trainer

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    In a modern rules match, I'd agree with you. But what's stopping Ketchel from locking Golovkin up in a clinch and grappling him to death like both fighters did in the Papke fight? Ketchel's well trained for that sort of fight, and Golovkin isn't.
     
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    first off Today he's fighting at Welterweight and maybe lower, todays MWs are 5'10" plus and weigh 185lbs...

    but as to MWs in general, tough as Stanley's time was, it was very crude to what it became by the 1930s and on so many Top WWs & MWs beat him. Especially from 1935 till about 25 years or so ago, when boxing drops off again!
     
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  11. cross_trainer

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    I kinda disagree. The trick is not to compare them against modern boxing technique. Instead, take a look at the manuals of the period and work from there.
     
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  12. Mendoza

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    Golovkin is as rough and durable as they come. He's skilled and based on film rates as one of the best punchers of all time at middleweight.

    I would heavily favor him.
     
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  13. cross_trainer

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    True, but roughness, durability, and punching power are only part of the solution.

    Golovkin (or any modern fighter) would be facing a very different kind of fight here, which demands a specific skillset. There's a reason that Jeffries trained with world-class Greco-Roman wrestlers like Roeber.
     
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  14. Mendoza

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    Ketchel wasn't well built. I think Golovkin is stronger, and likes the rough stuff. GGG would have no problem at adapting to the wrestling tactics of the times.
     
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    Well, even their contemporaries considered Ketchel-Papke IV to be a very tame affair; so even 1900's audiences wouldn't have nominated this fight as representative of Ketchel's best work.

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    Discusses Ketchel's chances vs Johnson in light of Ketchel-Papke IV, giving Ketchel little chance.
    The article is willing to grant Ketchel's claim that he hurt a hand vs Papke (IV). It said Ketchel tired after three rounds, and that either he had not trained or else was very gone back as a fighter.
     
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