wlad klitschko vs good/great pressure fighters

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by ticar, Oct 9, 2013.


  1. ticar

    ticar Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    ok people,i saw people are talking about the other day fight,wlad-povetkin,so my question is:

    if povetkin was able so easily to close the distance vs wlad,is wlad in a big big trouble if he would,somehow,fight someone like tyson,frazier,dempsey etc.??

    not so long ago,i thought wlad would win against most of those fighters,but now i'm not so sure.
    to me,wlad looked shocked how easily povetkin was closing the gap,he had no options than hold for dear life,or he would have gone in a panic mode while povetkin puts a combination on him.
    or wlad just decline,and is out of his prime?
    i don't think he beats samuel peter from the first fight right now.
    how does he fare against a good pressure fighter with a referee that doesn't tolerate that much clinching?
     
  2. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    Povetkin also fought a 37 year old Wlad, Wlad is starting to decline physically. Wlads prime was around 2007-2011.
     
  3. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    Bashir claimed the mindset in camp was to win the fight by whatever means possible and look good in the next one.
    That tells you how they think of a pressure fighter.
    Povetkin is already looking for a rematch but Wlad will go nowhere near him in a second fight because they make sure a fair ref is in olace.
     
  4. ticar

    ticar Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    let's be clear,povetkin did **** when he closed the distance,he still got whooped every round,and knocked down a couple of times.he doesn't deserve a rematch.
    a great fighter once he closed the distance,would have punched wlad to the body,ribs,below the line,elbow him,throw him,everything just to prevent wlad clinching.povetkin didn't do anything,he just allowed wlad to hold him.
     
  5. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Tyson is a 50-50 I feel but Frazier and Dempsey don't have much chance other than Wlad slipping on a banana and breaking his leg
     
  6. ticar

    ticar Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    i really like to read your posts,but have you watched wlad's last fight?
    povetkin closing the distance easily is not a good sing,when you are facing an elite pressure fighter with good inside fighting,right?
    also when you mention tyson,funn enough,even through i think tyson would probably knock wlad out,i think wlad fighting in germany where he would be allowed to clinch as much as he wants,may well frustrate tyson,and decision him :yep
     
  7. Mendoza

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    A great pressure fighter is always the toughest style for a boxer - puncher like Wlad, even one with super heavyweight dimensions.


    I think Wlad was a bit off. He looked a little dry, and caught a second wind. Usually his stamina is excellent. Perhaps it was nerves, or perhaps he was a little dehydrated. Or perhaps he's starting to slow down a bit.

    I would not call Povetkin great pressure fighter, but he is good one for sure with plenty of stamina, chin, and heart. Povetkin for his part has not lost a fight in over 10 years as an amateur or professional. He has never been floored as an amateur or professional coming to the match. The fight took place in his backyard.


    The result was a 119-104 card with 4 knockdowns. I have not seen 104 points scored in a 12 round distance fight ever. Wlad performance for the fans was a mixed bag. His power and skills remain. The jab was outstanding, and his short hook a weapon. But he didn't throw his jab enough, and because Povetkin came in low, we saw a lot of clinching.


    As far as the clinching goes, Wlad is outstanding. He's extremely strong,. Wlad locks his man up, and press his weight on the other guy, tiering out his legs. He also went a little old school in the fight, sneaking in shots to the side the referee could not see. When he wanted to push Povektin off, it was comical how strong he was. But the tactic cost Wlad a point, which I believe is the first time he lost one in a 60+ fight career.

    Wlad seldom needs to clinch as much as he did vs. Povetkin. It was a styles thing.
     
  8. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    Man , you are stupid. All that fouling, leaning, grapaling was a result of Wlad not having the tools to box any fight other than a 1-2 from a distance. If his clinching was 'outstanding' what does that say about his actual boxing ability?
    They obviously trained to fight that way in camp because they hadn't the confidence to be in the ring with a good for his era , but very average guy in general in Povetkin.
    We saw small Huck box him to pieces , but SuperHeavy Wlad with all his size and strenght could do nothing but foul and hug him to death for 12 whole rounds? Where was Wlads 'outstanding' boxing skills?

    Wlad has been clinching excessively for the past 10 years. Who are you trying to fool? He left America because neutral refs kept warning him , and he struggled hard and lost fights because of it.
    Wlad is a protected hypejob. Always was.
     
  9. On The Money

    On The Money Dangerous Journeyman Full Member

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    I'd give Tyson a chance but he never beat anyone as good as Klitschko in his career, a faded Larry Holmes maybe his best career win.
     
  10. Azzer85

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    And the Klits beat a whole host of great fighters like......
     
  11. Mendoza

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    Wlad never ducked anyone. In fact he quickly took the Peter fight years back, and accepted re-matches with Brewster and Thomspon.

    Suggesting Wald won't give Povetkin a re-match due to the ref is foolish. Povetkin did not win a round, and bring up a re-match? Maybe Povetkin wants another 7 million to get pounded and still does not win a round.

    Half of your posts are Wlad sucks in the general forum.
     
  12. zfc

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    Rooney trained Tyson was different to the shadow of a fighter you have seen on youtube.

    Tyson beat Bruno twice and Wlad is no better than Bruno.
     
  13. dinovelvet

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    Douglas beat Tyson with the uppercut and had to survive a brutal knockdown. Wlad has no uppercut and isn't surviving any full flush Tyson knock down. Keep moving fella.
     
  14. dinovelvet

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    The fight could of turned out a whole lot different if Wlad fought with his fists like he was supposed to. I analysed both styles and came to the conclusion that at some point Alex would of clipped Wlads china chin. The fact they trained to get through the fight by cheating and avoiding a fight at all costs suggests they felt the same.
    A rematch with a fair ref should be made mandatory.
     
  15. janitor

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    You were very unequivocal in picking Povetkin before the fight, and you knew exactly what Wlad’s tactics might include.

    Time to stop making excuses.