Joe Calzaghe v Roy Jones Jnr 2002

Apparently Lennox is very litterally asking for 100 mil now to come out of retirement to fight Wlad.

 

Murad said he made Roy $17m for Ruiz.


Again, Roy was a LHW, nearing 35, and looking to cash out.


If he got $17m for Ruiz, what would he have got for a Tyson fight?


There wouldn't have been much point in fighting Sanders, unless:


Sanders had got a major belt/belts.

Roy had've been younger and he'd have planned to stay at HW for a while.

It would have been a mega money fight.


If it was less than what he got for Ruiz, and Sanders was a hard hitting southpaw, it was pointless at that stage.


You live in a crazy world!


In your World:


Roy was a trinket holder, and a collector of vacant belts.


But it was ok for Joe to win the vacant WBO and then defend it against the Sobot's of the World for ten years.


You think it's an impressive feat for Joe to scrape past a 43 year old Hopkins.


But you're not impressed when a LHW moves up to dominate a HW title holder.


You're hilarious!


When Roy signed to fight the WBA HW champ, Joe was fighting Tocker Pudwell.

 

Roy iced Thomas Tate in about 5 mins, 9 years before Joe was scheduled to fight him.

 

Ha!

Joe had a 15 year career and spent 14 of them at 168, when he could have gone up to 175 at any point.

According to Frank W, he faked a hand injury against Lacy to try and pull out of the fight, until Frank and Enzo talked him around.

Enzo once made this comment. "If Joe's not 100% he's not fighting. I won't let him. I don't care how big the fight is, or if it's the day before. If Joe's not 100% he's not getting in that ring."

So did he really have an injured hand against Lacy?

You've got to have had 20 tabs of acid, to think that Joe would have gotten in the ring AGAINST ANY HEAVYWEIGHT!

 

Virgil Hill and Antonio Tarver were probably on par with Kessler and that version of Eubank.

But then Roy's got Del Valle, Reggie Johnson and Harding, and that's just at 175.

 

Bailey,

Those were the main points.

I'm not bothered about what had happened in the past.

When they started negotiations, Roy was the best fighter in the World and he held all three of the major belts.

Floyd was in a position of power and he called the shots.

Roy was in a position of power in the late 90's-early 00's.

The fight was going to be made on Roy's terms, not DM's.

He'd beaten Hill on points, cheated against Roch, the WBO was lightly regarded, and Roch only had the WBC, because Roy had vacated it.

The bigger crowd on the night, live, would have been in Germany.

 

Crazy, a guy Roy iced at MW was able to move up to the superior SMW division and get into the top 5 years later.

 

Comedy gold!

You've got to be either be trolling for a laugh, or you need to be locked up for your own safety.

How many opportunities did he get to grab Roy, when Roy was keeping him in the center of the ring, feinting and pot shotting him?

Here's another question for you.

Try and answer it for me.


Why was Norman Stone having a fit, shoving Ruiz hard, yelling "Why the f*ck are you waiting on this guy Johnny?!"

 

Rico's officially been DESTROYED!

 

Spinks was younger, he'd never fought below LHW, he'd not had as many overall fights, and he had 5 fights at HW.

His CIRCUMSTANCES were different.

But you and Bailey aren't aware of that word.

 

Why are you comparing Joe's move up to fight Hopkins to Roy's move up to HW?? Are you really insisting that Joe fighting Hopkins was comparable to Roy fighting Lennox? I hope not..atsch Especially since Joe beat THE Champion that only got the title from winning one of Roy's "trinket" belts.

Joe did move up to LHW... But Roy did better...

He moved up to MW, won a world title against a future ATG, moved up to SMW to fight one of the best fighters alive.. Moved up to LHW, unified all the major belts, beat the majority of top 10 contenders, including a body shot KO over a now Hall of famer... then moved up to HW and won a world title, immediately moved back down to LHW and beat the highest ranked contender..

Roy won world titles at a weight below and 2 weights higher than Joe's lowest and highest weights.:deal

 

Joe stayed at 168 for FOURTEEN years, and defended a Micky Mouse belt in a weak division, for ten years, until he unified against Kessler, who'd beaten who exactly?

He then went up and scraped by a 43 year old Hopkins, who Roy had beaten when he was 28, with a hairline fracture of his right wrist, when he was only 24.

Roy fought in 5 divisions, and went up to HW at 34, after 50 fights, while Joe was fighting Tocker Pudwell.

Frank W embarrassingly made Joe fight Manfredo at 35, from 'The Contender' to raise his U.S. Profile.

He wanted the Crown Jewels to face Roy in 2002, said a fight would be pointless in 2007, said the same thing early in 2008, laughed that Roy was past his best, then afterwards phoned him up and offered him a fight for 50-50. atsch

He also said that Pavlik had done nothing in 2008, only to then admit, that Frank had offered Pavlik a fight a few years earlier, but it'd had been turned down. atsch

Then there's questions on whether he bottled it against Lacy, and if he was really injured against Glen Johnson?

I need to have whatever you're taking for this weekend. :good

 

You are horse-whipping Rico's sorry as.s...:yep

 

Bailey,

No I don't have a link.

Now answer me this.

WHY DO YOU NEED A LINK OF HBO AND ROY SAYING THAT THEY WEREN'T INTERESTED IN JOE, when they tried to make Roy a DM fight, and then they watched him fight Gonzalez INSTEAD???

You are making a complete fool of yourself!


Are you telling me that they WERE interested in Joe, and they WANTED the fight?

If so, why wasn't it made?

You're obviously on the same mind bending L.S.D. that Rico's on.

Is there any chance you could get me some?

Well obviously I must be making it up, seeing as you don't know about it. It must be just me trying to pass an opinion off as a fact again.

Go and watch the post fight Woods interview. It'll probably be on YouTube. Tarver or Ruiz was next for him. :good

And in the end, Roy went with what he thought was a better option.

How's that?

What a terribly weak response.

How is it not proof you maniac???


You're telling me that while Davis was trying to make a huge DM fight, he really wanted to make a Joe fight instead?

You're telling me that when Roy fought Gonzalez, he really wanted Joe?

You're telling me that the following year in 2002, that HBO preferred a Joe fight rather than a Ruiz fight?

You're telling me that Roy preferred a Joe fight to a Ruiz one?


Answer the above questions.


If you answer yes to any of them, then you need to be in a straight jacket.


If you don't take the ****, and be honest and answer no, then you've got your answer.


Do you seriously think that you've got some kind of a victory, just because I haven't shown you an exact link where both Roy and HBO said "We want to make it clear, that we are not interested in a Joe Calzaghe fight"?

You DON'T need to read that.

Because we're in 2013 (Well I am, I'm not sure about you though) and history as shown us WHAT HAPPENED.

Each fighter has a different set of circumstances surrounding them just like people in general.

I'm not willing to discuss the Floyd and Manny saga on this thread, but you can go through my post history and bump the relevant thread if you want to debate it.

Roy wasn't interested, in the end.

I clearly have!

I've explained this TWICE already.


Now read this very carefully.


Nunn beat Ruddy Nix in Jan of 1997.

Dan Goosen said that Nunn had a mandatory shot against the winner of the Roy vs Griffin fight in March.

Griffin then won a DQ, so Nunn was really the mandatory to Griffin. But it was never going to happen, due to the controversy of the fight. Everybody wanted a rematch.

So the rematch was scheduled for August of 97, and Nunn had to wait again for the winner.

Meanwhile, Nunn kept himself busy in those four-five months, by fighting Booker Word in May, and Lonnie Horn in July.

Roy then won the rematch against Griffin in August.

So in August of 97, Nunn was made mandatory to Roy's WBC belt.

Goosen then won the purse bids, I believe late in October.

I believe that Roy then relinquished his belt in November.

He then ended up agreeing to fight Buster Douglas, for a fight early in 98.

The fight was all set to go ahead, but Roy Snr (who hadn't spoken to Roy for almost 6 years) stepped in, and told Roy he wasn't going to let him go through with it.

Meanwhile, Nunn's match with Graciano Rocchigianni to fight for Roy's vacant belt, had already been signed.

Nunn fought Roch in March of 98, but lost on a decision.

Roy then ended up fighting Virgil Hill at a catchweight, the following month in April of 98.

So Nunn was the mandatory challenger to Roy from August of 97, until he vacated the belt.

So overall, Nunn had waited 12 months, from Griffin's win in March of 97, to his title shot the following March against Roch.

But again, he wasn't waiting in line for a mandatory at Roy for those 12 months. It was only from August until I believe November.

So Nunn waited for Roy, for around three months, before Roy relinquished the belt.


I hope that clears everything up.

I haven't forgot.

But Roy was in the driving seat during negotiations. He held all the cards.

As above.

 

Ha!

I've just read it.

Do you think he'd accept $98m?