Joe Calzaghe v Roy Jones Jnr 2002

Loudon · Oct 9, 2013

Mind Reader said: ↑

Crazy, a guy Roy iced at MW was able to move up to the superior SMW division and get into the top 5 years later.
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Loudon · Oct 9, 2013

Mind Reader said: ↑

Why are you comparing Joe's move up to fight Hopkins to Roy's move up to HW?? Are you really insisting that Joe fighting Hopkins was comparable to Roy fighting Lennox? I hope not..atsch Especially since Joe beat THE Champion that only got the title from winning one of Roy's "trinket" belts.

Joe did move up to LHW... But Roy did better...

He moved up to MW, won a world title against a future ATG, moved up to SMW to fight one of the best fighters alive.. Moved up to LHW, unified all the major belts, beat the majority of top 10 contenders, including a body shot KO over a now Hall of famer... then moved up to HW and won a world title, immediately moved back down to LHW and beat the highest ranked contender..

Roy won world titles at a weight below and 2 weights higher than Joe's lowest and highest weights.:deal
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It's getting brutal!

Loudon · Oct 9, 2013

Mr Pibb said: ↑

You are horse-whipping Rico's sorry as.s...:yep
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Boxer-MMASux · Oct 9, 2013

That fight would have never happened in the timeframe of interest.
Joe's manager, F.W. would never have allowed the fight to happen. Why would he face Jones with great probability of facing defeat when he could earn just as much money facing bums before drunken English fans who know as little about boxing as your average WWE fan.

Jones TKO 8 (Stoppage on cuts)

realsoulja · Oct 10, 2013

Mind Reader said: ↑

Why are you comparing Joe's move up to fight Hopkins to Roy's move up to HW?? Are you really insisting that Joe fighting Hopkins was comparable to Roy fighting Lennox? I hope not..atsch Especially since Joe beat THE Champion that only got the title from winning one of Roy's "trinket" belts.

Joe did move up to LHW... But Roy did better...

He moved up to MW, won a world title against a future ATG, moved up to SMW to fight one of the best fighters alive.. Moved up to LHW, unified all the major belts, beat the majority of top 10 contenders, including a body shot KO over a now Hall of famer... then moved up to HW and won a world title, immediately moved back down to LHW and beat the highest ranked contender..

Roy won world titles at a weight below and 2 weights higher than Joe's lowest and highest weights.:deal
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I am just going to say it as I see it.
Rico Spadafora got his glass jaw smashed by Mind Reader in this thread.

HerolGee · Oct 10, 2013

you are saying it as it is, soulja.

bailey · Oct 10, 2013

Loudon said: ↑

Murad said he made Roy $17m for Ruiz.

Again, Roy was a LHW, nearing 35, and looking to cash out.

If he got $17m for Ruiz, what would he have got for a Tyson fight?

There wouldn't have been much point in fighting Sanders, unless:

Sanders had got a major belt/belts.

Roy had've been younger and he'd have planned to stay at HW for a while.

It would have been a mega money fight.

If it was less than what he got for Ruiz, and Sanders was a hard hitting southpaw, it was pointless at that stage.

You live in a crazy world!

In your World:

Roy was a trinket holder, and a collector of vacant belts.

But it was ok for Joe to win the vacant WBO and then defend it against the Sobot's of the World for ten years.

You think it's an impressive feat for Joe to scrape past a 43 year old Hopkins.

But you're not impressed when a LHW moves up to dominate a HW title holder.

You're hilarious!

When Roy signed to fight the WBA HW champ, Joe was fighting Tocker Pudwell.
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I havent read all of this post, but Sobot was Calzaghes first defence and a sub for undefeated Salmaci who was due to fight Calzaghe, so not sure where you get 10 years when he had just beaten Eubank.
Please remember that Pudwill was a sub also for Tate

Loudon said: ↑

Roy iced Thomas Tate in about 5 mins, 9 years before Joe was scheduled to fight him.
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And? That was at MW not SMW??? Point is he was on the Calzaghe list and Calzaghe was due to fight him, but I believe Tate decided to retire just before the fight which is where late sub Pudwill came in.
Calzaghe had dominated Lacy before Jones fought him

Loudon said: ↑

Virgil Hill and Antonio Tarver were probably on par with Kessler and that version of Eubank.

But then Roy's got Del Valle, Reggie Johnson and Harding, and that's just at 175.
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How do you put Tarver who was losing to Harding above Eubank or Kessler .
I was a fan of Hill and rate him highly but he was beaten by a former WW champ. He made alot of defences and his win over Maske was a good win, but I think Kessler is up there with him (possibly overall better with the amount of champs he has beaten) and Eubanks resume is far greater

Mr Pibb · Oct 10, 2013

bailey said: ↑

I havent read all of this post, but Sobot was Calzaghes first defence and a sub for undefeated Salmaci who was due to fight Calzaghe, so not sure where you get 10 years when he had just beaten Eubank.
Please remember that Pudwill was a sub also for Tate

And? That was at MW not SMW??? Point is he was on the Calzaghe list and Calzaghe was due to fight him, but I believe Tate decided to retire just before the fight which is where late sub Pudwill came in.
Calzaghe had dominated Lacy before Jones fought him
How do you put Tarver who was losing to Harding above Eubank or Kessler .
I was a fan of Hill and rate him highly but he was beaten by a former WW champ. He made alot of defences and his win over Maske was a good win, but I think Kessler is up there with him (possibly overall better with the amount of champs he has beaten) and Eubanks resume is far greater
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Joe went life and death with a shot to hell Charles Brewer.

46and0 · Oct 10, 2013

KillerKovalev said: ↑

jones jnr's chin proved to be almost as bad as amir khan's therefore the answer to this question goes without saying. Calzaghe was 32-0 28 KOs in 2002, this was before he had hand problems. Only granite jawed fighters like Eubank were going the distance with Calzaghe at this stage, and he even knocked Eubank down , Eubank said Calzaghe had a lot of power. Calzaghe would have stopped him definately.
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Tremendous, irrefutable post.

Rico Spadafora · Oct 10, 2013

bailey said: ↑

I havent read all of this post, but Sobot was Calzaghes first defence and a sub for undefeated Salmaci who was due to fight Calzaghe, so not sure where you get 10 years when he had just beaten Eubank.
Please remember that Pudwill was a sub also for Tate

And? That was at MW not SMW??? Point is he was on the Calzaghe list and Calzaghe was due to fight him, but I believe Tate decided to retire just before the fight which is where late sub Pudwill came in.
Calzaghe had dominated Lacy before Jones fought him
How do you put Tarver who was losing to Harding above Eubank or Kessler .
I was a fan of Hill and rate him highly but he was beaten by a former WW champ. He made alot of defences and his win over Maske was a good win, but I think Kessler is up there with him (possibly overall better with the amount of champs he has beaten) and Eubanks resume is far greater
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There isn't any need to read it just more of his opinion. :rofl

bailey · Oct 10, 2013

Loudon said: ↑

I'm not bothered about what had happened in the past.

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atsch. So because YOU are not bothered that counts against DM for beating the MAN because you are not bothered. Loudons opinion

When they started negotiations, Roy was the best fighter in the World and he held all three of the major belts.

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But Loudon isnt bothered by the past that DM had also held 2 of those belts, beaten the man and and beat the fighter who had claim to a title Roy was handed atsch

Floyd was in a position of power and he called the shots.

Roy was in a position of power in the late 90's-early 00's.

The fight was going to be made on Roy's terms, not DM's.

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Once again where would the bigger crowd have been?

He'd beaten Hill on points, cheated against Roch, the WBO was lightly regarded, and Roch only had the WBC, because Roy had vacated it.

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Rocch had the title because he won it.
Why do you go on about DMs belt? It made no difference, its the fighter that matters and who makes the title, not the other way around. DM had also won the WBA & IBF and as you note beat the fighter who had claim to the title as well as beating the MAN.

The bigger crowd on the night, live, would have been in Germany.

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:deal

Now Loudon lets get back to basics here and once again just a yes or no will do. 2 questions below as you seem to go on about titles so much rather than the fighter so...

Do you think the belt makes the fighter -

Do you think the fighter makes the belt -
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bailey · Oct 10, 2013

Rico Spadafora said: ↑

There isn't any need to read it just more of his opinion. :rofl
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Rico Spadafora · Oct 10, 2013

KillerKovalev said: ↑

jones jnr's chin proved to be almost as bad as amir khan's therefore the answer to this question goes without saying. Calzaghe was 32-0 28 KOs in 2002, this was before he had hand problems. Only granite jawed fighters like Eubank were going the distance with Calzaghe at this stage, and he even knocked Eubank down , Eubank said Calzaghe had a lot of power. Calzaghe would have stopped him definately.
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Jones and his daddy knew about his Glass Jaw from the start. It is hilarious how his fan boys try to explain and justify all the shrewd maneuvering he did to avoid fights.

That Chin is one of the worst I have seen. Total glass.

46and0 · Oct 10, 2013

Mr Pleb said: ↑

Joe went life and death with a shot to hell Charles Brewer.
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judge: Robin Dolpierre 118-111 | judge: Roy Francis 117-112 | judge: Chuck Giampa 119-109
:smooch

HerolGee · Oct 10, 2013

bailey said: ↑

Do you think the belt makes the fighter -

Do you think the fighter makes the belt -
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you know full well that it works both ways. How dare you be so stupid as to ask for a simple yes no answer on this.

If Manny Pacman won the IBO title today, it will still be a smalltime belt, so an unknown Joe Calzaghe's WBO belt was unwanted and largely worthless in the 90s and beginning of the 00s, of this is no question.

And yet Calzaghe and Hopkins defending wbo belts for a long times gave the belts some credence - in that circumstance the fighter gives credit to the belt.

please don't ask stupid questions again.

thx.
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