wlad klitschko vs good/great pressure fighters

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  1. ticar

    ticar Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    some fair points here,but again,maybe povetkin was bull rushing without really putting himself in a position to punch,obviously wlad could exploit that amateur rushing in,like stepping to the side,stepping back and fire a right hand or a left hook etc.
    i mean,he really could have counter punch povetkin,but instead,he just hold.
    or when he backs up,just stretching his hands in front of him,like don't hit me.
    but when he is doing mitts,he does some ducking,why when he does not use ducking in an actual fight??
    his accuracy with right hand was bad,he rarely throw it,and when did,often missed and shoot it like an arm punch.

    i think wlad could be in trouble if he faces a ready chisora,or if pulev shows up for a fight.
     
  2. Ponysmallhorse

    Ponysmallhorse Small but proud Full Member

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    Povetkin closed distance because wlad let him. When he wanted to stay outside he did. If you would take anything as a sign of wlads decline take a look at his accuracy with left hook. He missed A LOT. He tried to knock him out with one punch(like chambers) but that punch neve came and only round he tried to rush a KO Povetkin took his puncishment and survived(barely but still).
     
  3. ticar

    ticar Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    yes,there where times when he telegraphed his left hook for outside instead of using his jab more,and then firing a right hand or a left hook when there is an opening
     
  4. Farmboxer

    Farmboxer VIP Member Full Member

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    Vlad has fought a lot of pressure fighters.................
     
  5. klitschko1

    klitschko1 New Member Full Member

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    Hi, I'm watching the baseball game in the 13th inning so I didn't read all the posts but Wladimir Klitschko will train for whoever he fights and win. Wladimir and Vitali try to knock out their opponents and if they think it is too risky they will try to win on points or if the guy is too tough to be knocked out. Povetkin was both. Too tough to knock out and too risky to try too hard to knock him out.
     
  6. Ipay4leavingNot

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    I agree with dino, I seen Frazer demolish big russian fightersin the olympics pretty quickly. I seen him knockout guys who outweigh klitschko and have reach and height advantage. Foreman has a great chin. He was only dropped by 3 very great fighters
    -ali
    -ron lyle
    -jimmy young (not as great but foreman was in decline at this point)

    I already documented the dozen times wlad has been dropped, he'd have no chance, because frazier would feint a duck under the jab and when wlad comes in to crush him, he'd pull out and nail him with a left hook and end it in round 1. Wlad is very predictable.

    in the case of vitali, he might even last the whole fight if it is 12 rounds and just lose every rounds as frazier hunts him down and batter him to death. When he steps back frazier would leap forward and nail him with flying punches, ask ali.
     
  7. Mr "T"

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  8. madballster

    madballster Loyal Member Full Member

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    Frazier would get pummeled in one-sided painful mismatches against *ANY* SHW champion in history. Bowe, Lewis, Wlad, Vitali. They all demolish Smokin' Joe who has 0% chances of ever beating any of them.

    Case closed.
     
  9. dinovelvet

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    You said Mormeck done better in his 4 round drubbing than Frazier ever could . You are not qualified to pass judgment and your opinion is meaningless after that statment.

    Eddie Fuch gives Frazier a 100% full proof gameplan against limited, predicatable, weak chined Wlad with poor stamina.
     
  10. The Mongoose

    The Mongoose I honor my bets banned

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    Wlad had trouble finding him with his usual straight punches like the right cross because Povetkin was ducking in so low. You throw punches at a guy like that, you are at risk at cracking your hand on the back of his skull. Even an uppercut would be tough because Wlad would leave himself open to the lunging punches Povetkin was trying to land with. Wlad's best weapon was that short check hook that he did bust Povetkin up with and score the most convincing knockdown with.

    Moving backwards not an option, because Povetkin would just bull him into the ropes, and while Wlad had success with some horizontal movement, I don't think he has the foot speed or stamina at his age and size to play matador all night. That would wear him out, so instead held his ground.

    I've never seen Wlad counter punch in close quarters and I wouldn't expect him to. Chisora will rush Wlad like Povetkin but is going to be eating more jabs. Pulev is a good tall boxer but he wasn't very convincing against Thompson, whom Wlad had just dominated and knocked out. I can't see either posing a serious threat. I think you are reading too much into an ugly match that Wlad still controlled and dominated.
     
  11. The Mongoose

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    Early KO predictions for either man regarding a fantasy Frazier/Wlad match up seem to be rooted in agenda instead of actual analysis.

    Both guys are notorious slow starters. Wlad has never finished a quality opponent early and bar the 20 lb lighter Foster neither has Frazier, who always had to take the big guys like Mathis and Bugner into very deep water and break them down. For either of these guys to come out and blow the other one out early, would be very out of the ordinary and highly unlikely.
     
  12. dinovelvet

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    Doug Jones would of knocked out Klinchko. Wlad is a C level fighter.

    He split the worst HW divison known to man in half to suit his style but still had to cheat his way through it on top of been knocked out in his prime and knocked out climbing the ranks.

    No great fighter has ever been knocked out climbing the ranks against a journeyman.
     
  13. dinovelvet

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    :patsch:lol:
     
  14. The Mongoose

    The Mongoose I honor my bets banned

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    You've made it clear that you feel Wlad is a **** fighter who had to cheat to beat Povetkin. That is your opinion and you are entitled to stand by it. But going out of your way to respond to every single post regarding the fight to express that opinion makes it appear as if you are trying to convince yourself more than anything. You've made it obvious you are not open to anyone else's viewpoint, so I'm not going to bother debating with you because it would be a waste of time, and thinK I've already told you that so I'm not sure why you keep trying to push me. I haven't started ignoring you yet, but I'm getting close.
     
  15. dinovelvet

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    Wlad was a gold medalist and 25 fights in when he lost to Purrity. There's no excuse for that, especially when club fighters were able to beat Purrity.
    Haye's loss to The Cat at fight no.10 is a legit loss.