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I agree. Wlad has never formed a legacy in the ring. You can credit him with blind , paper stats all you want ,but nobody cares about that. In the long run Wlad will have left a stain on HW boxing and thats the unfortunate truth.

 

How can you be an ATG when your best wins are....

Corrie Sanders - only beat one tip 10 fighter before and after Vits

Sam Peter - crude brawler who struggled with a fat, former middleweight and had no top 10 wins after

Juan Carlos Gomez - a former cruiser with a couple decent heavyweight wins before and nothing after

Odlanier Solis - a 17 fight novice with no top 10 wins

Tomasz Adamek - only had 5 fights at heavy beting 1 top 10 heavy who hadn't beaten another top 10 fighter

Chris Arreola - who never beat a top 10 fighter before and has only beaten one since that most would agree didn't deserve to be top 10 ranked

Shannon Briggs - who hadn't beaten a top 10 fighter in 4 years and was clearly shot

Albert Sosnowski - never beat a top 10 fighter before or since

Derek Chisora - A 17 fight novice who beat a 16 fight novice who was top 10 tanked but fought with a severe shoulder injury

Kevin Johnson - no top 10 wins before or after

 

So who are the examples of fighters with comparabloe acomplishments who history has not rated as greats?

An example of a fighter who was the consensus #1 in the division for seven years plus, and people look back and say “nah he wasn’t that great”.

An example of a fighter who beat every key contender over a seven year period with one or two exceptions, and people say “that wasn’t so impressive”.

It just doesn’t happen.

 

A pitiful version of Mike Tyson did better against Lewis at his best than the best Vitali against Lewis at his worst.
Vitali rubbed shoulders with greatness and thats where he came out. Playing second fiddle to a washed up corpse of Tyson.

Can't see how he 'dominated' when he quit for 4 years, lost to Chris Byrd , fought bottom rankers and is avoiding his current mando.

 

Thing is, Vits is a great fighter. But how can you justify calling him an ATG over fighters who beat far better competition? Head to head I think Vits is top 10 at heavyweight. I cannot prove who he could beat though. It is provable his comp was weak because they mostly faced no one to prove otherwise.

 

Your judgement of these things is too textbook. I go by the perception of the general public.
Wlad turned more people away from boxing than he brought in. Can you name me another HW who achieved that?
The German media have even turned against him for his crimes committed to the sport against Povetkin. Word out there is one more fight like that and he is done , so he will have to go back to fighting lowly cans to look good again.
Thats not a great fighter to me.

 

To clarify, I think that it can be argued either way in Vitallys case, but I am certain that Wlad will be regarded as an ATG.

 

This is true, but what kind of legacy can you truly form when you haven't fought the best and your winning resume is arguably worse than any other heavyweight ATG?

 

Name your top 20 HWs of all-time and I will pick through their resumes.

 

Sure. Just make sur to take notice rhat every single one beat other HOF'ers, ATG's and or changed the face of boxing. Im ny opinion Vits has done none of these things.

Im going off memory here. I do have a top 20 but no access to it at the moment.

1. Louis
2. Ali
3. Holmes
4. Johnson
5. Foreman
6. Lewis
7. Liston
8. Holyfield
9. Tyson
10 Marciano
11. Frazier
12. Wills
13. Dempsey
14. Jeffries
15. Langford
16. Wlad
17. Charles
18. Corbett
19. Walcott
20. Schmeling

 

I like Vitali and always have .. he has more than made up for his poor decision against Byrd many times over ... I think he was a far more dangerous fighter than his brother and has had a terrific career ... he is always well conditioned, has a huge heart, an iron chin, under rated speed, excellent size, strength and decent power ... most important is his killer instinct and superb intelligence, maybe the smartest fighter in the divisions history ...

 

What about his competition, that doesn't play a gigantic part on all time greatness in your opinion, his resume?

 

I agree with both parts of this post. Vits is borderline because of his consistency and dominance. But his lack of resume keeps him out in my opinion.

Wlad will most likely move into the top 12 soon and probably the top 10 before the end of his career should he not lose again.