Joe Calzaghe v Roy Jones Jnr 2002

:roflatsch

 

Why do think?

The champ doesn't travel, and apart from DM, every viable opponent of Roy's all fought in the U.S. when he was on top.

Now he's in his 40's, and he doesn't have a belt, he's had to travel to Australia, Russia and Poland to try and move up the CW rankings and get a title shot.

He's not in the position of power that he used to be in. Do you think if he was still on top, that he'd have gone to Australia? Guys like Danny Green and Dennis Lebedev would had to have gone to him.

If DM had been classed as the worlds best fighter, and had been the unified champ at the time of negotiations, Roy would had to have gone to Germany.

But seeing as though it was Roy who was in the driving seat, the onus was always on DM to go to America.

 

Joe wasn't scared? He was 36 when he finally decided to fight in the U.S. up at LHW.

Have a look at these gems.

In 2004:

"There's nothing left for me at 168, I've done all I can, and I'm looking to move up in weight, and fight in America. I want the big fights."

"I know that I've got to go to America, and I think I can take my speed up to 175, and it will be a big advantage for me."

That was before Kessler and Lacy was on the scene.


What happened?


Nothing!


He ended up staying at 168, to fight Mkrtchyan, Kabary Salem and a rematch against Mario Veit, who he'd already knocked out in a round, three years earlier.



We also know about the whole Roy fiasco.

He dismissed him in 2007, saying a fight would be pointless.

Then in 2008, before he fought Hopkins, he laughed in the Setanta Sports studio, saying that Roy was past his best, and he'd be disappointed if that was to be his last fight.


What happened?


He phoned Roy up personally, and offered him 50-50 to fight.



What about Kelly Pavlik?

Joe told everybody that Pavlik had done nothing to deserve a fight with him.

Then he dropped himself in it, by admitting that Frank had actually offered Pavlik a fight with him, a few years earlier. atsch



Finally, if you think Roy's 175 division was weak, then what the hell do you think about Joe's 168 division?



What have you got to say to this?

 

A joke of a post!

Why don't you tell us who Larry and HBO said they wanted Roy to fight after Frazier, in the post fight interview from 1999?

Here, I'll save you the job.

DM
Reggie Johnson
Telesco
Hopkins II.
Collins.

We all know about the DM saga. Larry said that DM was now willing to come to America. But we know that statement wasn't true.

Roy went onto unify against Reggie Johnson in his very next fight.

Roy went onto fight David Telesco in Jan 2000.

Hopkins priced himself out of the rematch, by initially wanting more money than Roy, and then by backing down and wanting a 50-50 split. How was he going to get 50-50, when Roy had already beaten him with a fractured hand, and Roy would had to have gone down in weight for a catchweight of around 168?

Steve Collins had been retired for a few years at the time, he'd never fought at 175, he wasn't ranked, and more importantly, Lou De Bella did not want to make that fight.

He wanted Collins to fight Joe Calzaghe, with the winner potentially fighting the winner of the Roy vs Reggie Johnson fight.

Collins then pulled out through injury, and Joe was happy to stay in Britain, by declaring that he wasn't chasing Roy, and he didn't want tough fights.


We also know that Roy ended up fighting Tarver and Ruiz after the Frazier fight, so HBO WERE happy. :good


My god, you're taking a real spanking on here!

 

Bailey and Assassin have left him to it.

 

How was Lou Del Valle a joke of a fight?

Again, you mention that Ruiz and the WBA was a trinket, because Lewis was the man.

WHY DID YOU WANT ROY TO FIGHT SANDERS THEN FOR THE WBO??

 

a curious thread, like watching sharks descend on a lone swimming sailor who refuses to get back on his boat.

Or like watching a lone Manchester City fan mouthing off ryan giggs, right in the middle of a packed-out-with-reds Theatre of Dreams.

The end cant be far off.

 

I agree..

DM was lineal.. But lineal is not always the man or best in the division.. I think this is a perfect example.:yep

 

Loudon nowhere did I say I wanted to see Jones fight Sanders (though it would have been hilarious seeing Roy get his head put in the 30th row) I posted that link to show you how you keep posting your OPINION about Jones 'talking' to certain fighters about future Heavyweight fights. You have Jones own promoter saying the deal was done and when it came time for Jones to sign he pulled out with a ridiculous demand of 10 million more than was in the agreed upon contract. It shows Jones wasn't serious about staying at Heavyweight with a demand like that AFTER the contract had been agreed to and done. Also, I posted the ridiculous comment by Muhammad that "Lewis isn't fighting" when he clearly was still going to fight. There were no serious negotiations between Jones/Muhammad and ANY other Heavyweights but Corrie Sanders and even then Jones reneged on the original deal because he was scared and scurried back to Light Heavyweight and got his Glass Jaw Shattered in brutal and embarrassing fashion.

Quit posting your OPINION on here which you have been doing since the start of this thread. :hi:

 

The irony.:rofl

 

yes, no opinions here

 

mind reader, you are aptly named!!

 

I'm sure we have mate.:smooch

 

It is a Fact it isn't my opinion. A deal was made for Jones and Sanders to fight and Jones backed out. He went back to Light Heavyweight and was savagely KOed in embarrassing fashion and still tried to chase trinket belts (IBF against Johnson and IBO against Green)

Jones wasn't staying at Heavyweight it was a one time handpicked deal. Him pulling out of the Sanders fight proves it. It is documented with comments form his own Promoter.

 

when the wbo stripped sanders of the title, jones didn't want the fight anymore.

Sanders will be stripped!
By Flattop
“If he fights (Roy) Jones, we will strip him of the title,” said WBO President Paco Valcarcel in regards to WBO heavyweight champion Corrie Sanders fighting WBA champ Roy Jones Jr. Valcarcel confirmed that Vernon Smith, the manager of Sanders, informed him on Thursday morning that negotiations with Jones were in the final stages. Valcarcel confirmed this with Murad Muhammad, the promoter for Jones, who said that the fight had been signed. “This is unbelievable,” Valcarcel said to FightNews.com. “We are having a purse bid on Friday because he (Sanders) requested this action. Sanders will have to relinquish the title if he does not intend to defend it against his mandatory (Lamon Brewster)!” The purse bid scheduled for Friday morning in Miami will continue as a matter of procedure although it seems irrelevant at this point. Bob Goodman, VP of Operations for Don King Productions, expressed disbelief at the turn of events. “We have been trying to get this opportunity for Lamon for a long time. Brewster is the WBO NABO champion. Brewster has been forced to sit and wait. He has earned this shot. He has paid his dues. Brewster in next line for the title shot and nothing is going to change that,” stated Goodman. Although there is a lot of confusion in the heavyweight division at the moment – with former champ Evander Holyfield fighting cruiserweight king James Toney, Lennox Lewis edging toward retirement, plus Mike Tyson in deep financial and legal woes – the matchup of Jones versus Sanders is intriguing bright spot. Jones made history in March when he beat John Ruiz to become the second light heavyweight champ to win a piece of the heavyweight crown. Sanders upset the long odds when he knocked out Wladimir Klitschko to capture the WBO strap. Both fighters have uncommon speed and skill but the power of Sanders promises to test Jones far better than the non-performing Ruiz did back in March. If the deal holds, the Jones-Sanders fight will be a HBO pay-per-view on November 8 most likely in Las Vegas.