Joe Calzaghe v Roy Jones Jnr 2002

Why was that?

Because he was scared?

He was scared of fighting another top 3 guy, so instead he went up to fight bigger guys at LHW and HW.

 

Shut up you fool!

People's circumstances change.

Why would he have fought Sanders, Vitali and Byrd at that point?

He was nearly 35, with 50 fights on his resume.

Why fight those guys for very good money, when Tyson wanted to fight him for what would have been HUGE money?

He was even looking at going back up to HW to fight Mike in 2004.

He was too old to fight for a prolonged period at HW.

How many 35 year old LHW's have you seen at HW?


He's still fighting now, because he can't let go, but he's not going to be stupid enough to fight a top 5 HW.

 

He was only planning on having a few fights for huge money.

Despite what not happening?

Stop twisting my words.

I didn't say that Lennox said he didn't have it in him to fight Roy.

I said Lennox was interested in Roy, and a possible rematch with Vitali, but then said, he wasn't sure if he was going to fight again.

Then the following year (early in 2004) he officially retired, issuing a statement that said he no longer had the hunger or the motivation to carry on.

I'm still awaiting links, where Lennox said that he wanted Roy, but Roy priced himself out.

 

Well done son

It is commendable to see the humility you have by accepting what a deluded fool you was comparing GGG to Tyson.

You see son this is why you cant getw brainwashed and carried away just by looking at KO ratios and skin colour as you was dong before I admonished you. That is why you folks across the pond thought Jeff lacy was the next coming of iron mike. Yes both Lacy and Tyson had similar KO ratios and skin colour but as Calzaghe showed your thinking was flawed.

Now go and complete the homework I set you yesyerday so you can learn some more boxing

 

He knocked out Malinga and schooled Toney.

Who else did that?

It's not as simple as saying, he could have chosen whoever.

No he couldn't.

The world of boxing doesn't work like that.

There's rival promoters, networks and organisations etc.

 

Once Queeny completes and submits his homework that I set him yesterday, I am ready for negotitations to open up regarding ban bets. Because as it stands right now, Queeny has just learnt not all black people are similar to Mike Tyson, which goes to show the vast gap in boxing knowledge and credentials between me and him.

You dont see Floyd Mayweather negotiate with any old bum, a man must bring something to the table to be taken seriously.

This is why I have been teaching Queeny pre school basics like not all black fighters fight like Tyson. If Quincy can complete the homeworks I set him his repitation will go through the roof and I wont be getting any flack picking on an easy target.

 

Ha!

It would never have happened.

Fair play, his Chavez example is probably right.

But he hasn't allowed for the fact, that every guy has a different frame, with a different set of circumstances surrounding them.

 

more name-calling?

why dont you just accept the bet?

i mean, you really dont have a choice at this point.

in the last three weeks youve divulged to the forum that you have to subsist in a neighborhood full of crazy people, are a proud recipient of a fake team elite award that proudly sits atop of an ikea particle board trophy case, that you are so far behind that you simply cannot believe that someone posting here could actually be retired living in mexico driving a convertible mercedes and, finally, that a youtube team elite award ceremony video is actually real if you install some windows program?

and now, to make things worse, you are not going to accept a vcash ban bet making you look like a complete pus-sy?

this is about as sad as it gets.

december 31, 2103.

whoever has the least amount of vcash leaves the forum. just give me the word and i will reduce my vcash to match yours.

no more emoticons.

no more name-calling.

no more condescending overtures.

just a winner and a loser on 12/31/2013.

its really not that difficult.

 

what kind of bets(monetary since i have yet to do vcash) would i have had to have made on both bradley and floyd to win to have, as you say, "credentials"? there must be an amount that would be satifactory to you for me to have placed on my online sportsbook with these two fights to be worthy for you to initiate a vcash ban bet with me, right?

by my calculations you are down 647 vcash(you were given 1000 vcash by the forum, the same as myself).

if you are so knowledgeable about boxing as you so proclaim why are you down more than half your bankroll?

perhaps this is the reason why you dont what to do a vcash bet with me, no?

if i was down more than half my bankroll i wouldnt want to be betting as well.

in fact, most logical people would think that you dont know very much about what you are betting on.

 

Yeah we have discussed it. DM was the champion. Roy wore belts that was stolen from DM.

The problem with you loudon, is that you can only see things from an anglon perspective. I can easily upon request, provide you with several credible german sources telling how Kohl was in the US to negotiate Jones and how DM repeatedly asked for a Jones fight.

Who would fight for peanuts abroad when you could fight for millions at home? Is it not possible for you to even see just a glimpse of disrespectfullness in the way they treat DM? Be honest.

What you state is probably correct. It's also likely only half the story. You know as in the biased Ripped Fuel brigade spin.

Who knows. Maybe Kohl was getting tired of having made countless proposals through the years without success because Jones constantly prices himself out?

They where more deserving than Vinny Paz agree?

 

Are you disputing what I said about Conn and Foster (and Moore)? Say it aint so!

As for today Andre Ward is on the record of saying that he wants to fight at HW.

BOOM!

 

Used to huh? You always flatter yourself saying that you have sources for everything. Lets see that source please.

Spinks was an olympic goldmedalist at MW. I think it's possible and likely that if he was fighting under todays professional weighin scheme that he could easily have started out at LMW.

I haven't talked about Joe and the Spinks bit has been accounted for. I cannot comment on your skills of watching fighterframes and being able to conclude natural weight based on that.

All of this has been adressed except the Foster bit. Let me just say that Foster was 188 for Frazier and leave it at that.

 

Source for Spinks having cut of a leg before the 1976 olympics. Or just STFU.

 

Jones was the p4p no. 1 in excusemaking. What stands out is that apart from Toney he fought none. Not Nunn but none.

 

Roy and his promoter agreed to fight Sanders. It is a Fact. Then Roy pulled out demanding 20 mil guaranteed instead of 10 mil. That couldn't happen because Sanders also needs to be paid. See, Roy liked to think his opponents should simply fight for free or for peanuts (See him trying to offer Nunn a 90/10 split) :roflatsch

Additionally why are you discussing which belts were worth what? Roy paraded around at Light Heavyweight with such disgraceful trinkets as the NBA, WBF, and IBA belts :rofl So, why are you trying to tell me your OPINION about what belt at Heavyweight was worth what? :huh Roy loved trinket belts. He was a belt collector. He didn't care if they came from fighting a police officer or a bartender. He just wanted belts that didn't mean anything so he could call himself a 'champion'

So in closing I am asking about Sanders because there was a negotiated contract and the ONLY other contract he had with anyone at Heavyweight besides Ruiz. Also, King wanted him to unify with Byrd. Roy refused because unlike Johnny Ruiz Chis Byrd actually had skills and was not afraid to face the Super Heavyweights even though he himself was a natural and former Middleweight.

So, once again it is obvious to anyone with a brain the Johnny Ruiz was a one time handpicked opponent at Heavyweight. We know this because Roy broke the contract with Sanders and he didn't fight at the weight again despite King offering him a big unification fight with Byrd.

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