Prime James J. Jeffries vs Jack Johnson

Jeffries crushed ( TKO 3 ) a then 21-3 Everett and became the first person to stop him.

By the time Everett fought Jack Johnson, he was on the slide. In his last five fights before meeting Johnson his results were thus:


KO'd by Russell in 9.

Loss via DQ to Williams.

Loss via points to Childs.

DQ win over Sharkey in 2. Sharkey put Everett down, and hit him while on a knee.

A win over *Ed McCoy, who only 1-0 before meeting Everett.

* Source Box Rec.

Now your saying the best Johnson could do was draw here? Wow. I guess the details are in the book.

 

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You are correct as usual, just read page 48, I think the only other mention of Everett is some few pages earlier, when Johnson was sparring with Sharkey.

 

The truth! What would you know about that?atsch

Granular detail????:huh Mendoza speak?

 

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The best I ever saw was John Ruiz.

 

He was one of the first exponents of a modern shoulder roll type defense, combined with a crouch. Exhibited good lateral movement by turn-of-the-century heavyweight standards. An excellent inside fighter, just as Johnson was. Also, his left hook helped him close the distance pretty well -- he threw it with a wider loop than you can get away with today (thanks to the gloves), and it was delivered with some pretty fast lunging footwork.

The cauliflower ears you mentioned earlier aren't just a sign of getting hit a lot. Pep had them, and he was a defensive wizard. Leonard, too. I'd expect a guy who relied on head movement to slip punches by narrow margins to have them.

 

Interesting!

 

On what film evidence do you base this shoulder roll theory? All I've seen his do is tuck his chin down into his shoulder, no head movement and open to right hands.
Sharkey was the master at close work with Jeffries and Sharkey was as crude as they come.
What film shows Jeffries as excellent inside?
Again what film shows him fast afoot?

In the only film of him attacking ,[against Ruhlin, ] he is the slower man.
Jeffries is described in his fights as easy to hit.

Pep had 249 fights!Jeffries 21!

Leoanard has cauliflower ears? He looked ok on the tv the other day.

 

Wearing a man down by absorbing his punches and then outlasting him is not a skill, it is relying on natural durability ,and in Jeffries case, natural size, weight ,and age advantage.

 

Jeffries did not wear people down by absorbing their punches, he wore them down with his sustained body attack.

 

He beat Corbett in the 23rd round after being behind on points.

Corbett was coming out of an extended retirement.

Jeffries own manager Brady told him he needed a ko to win .
No sustained body attack there.Read the report.
He beat an ancient Fitz also coming out of an extended retirement, who used his face for target practice, and cut him to ribbons .
When Fitz smashed both hands on Jeffries face he dropped them and spoke to Jeffries who kod him , no sustained body attack there either.

In the second Sharkey fight most thought Sharkey was in front after 20 rds.Siler the referee said Jeffries strong finish in the last 5rds earned him the win ,many disagreed.

Read the fight report and try and find the sustained body attack. Thats three of Jeffries , five major fights.

Jim Jeffries may have been the toughest heavyweight that ever lived , but that is NOT a skill