Where do you rank Wladimir Klitschko among the all-time great heavyweights?

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  1. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    Yes he does and has. Mormeck was a worse opponent that Lyakhovich.

    Mormeck was 3 years older at 40 and was out of the ring for 2 years.
    At least Sergei was a HW and Wilder blew him away in one round without molesting the **** out of him over 4 round.
     
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  2. bremen

    bremen Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Like who? Louis, Marciano, Walcott? :nut

    Title defenses, longevity, longest reign are easily comparable. Everything else is subjective.
     
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  3. -GhettoWizard-

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    Louis would ktfo out of Wladmir :lol:
     
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  4. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    i';d forgotten that, wow wlad really is a king of **** like freedom.
     
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  5. Vanboxingfan

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    Id' say top 11-15 he might make it as high as top 8-9th but he's not going any higher than that.
     
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  6. Vanboxingfan

    Vanboxingfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Depends on your definition of reign, he never fought his brother who was a legitimate threat for a long time, and for better or worse, that's an objective fact.
     
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  7. theword

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    The losses he has on his record make it difficult -- for me at least -- to rank him in the top 25.

    I'm not one of those fans who thinks once a fighter loses he's a washed up exposed 'has been', but, I just don't think many all time greats would lose to the guys that Wlad lost to.

    Sure he's gotten better since then, but you can't discount the blemishes on his record entirely. That mixed with a dearth of adequate competition and I think you wind up with someone between 40-50.
     
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  8. derrick

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    Mental case
     
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  9. On The Money

    On The Money Dangerous Journeyman Full Member

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    H2H they are top class ATG's who'd beat anybody on their best day. No argument.
     
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  10. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    No argument? You stupid or something?
    Vitali on his best day couldn't beat Lennox on his worst day.

    On paper Wlad blows away Sam Peter. In reality he almost gets pancaked by him.
     
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  11. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    its no coincidence that the first time brothers can share the titles is the also the worst run of HWs ever seen in history, an indication of how crap its become. Jack Broughton would rule in this era's HW division.
     
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  12. freedom2013

    freedom2013 Boxing Junkie banned

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    Sam Peter was a strong, durable fighter. I can't imagine anyone "blowing him away".
     
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  13. freedom2013

    freedom2013 Boxing Junkie banned

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    No...

    Wladimir has mainly fought his mandatories:

    IBF: Austin, Brewster, Rahman, Peter, Thompson
    WBO: Chambers
    WBA: Povetkin

    Or unified with other titleholders: Ibragimov, Haye

    Or fought undefeated boxers: Brock, Wach, Pianeta, Chagaev
     
    freedom2013, Oct 17, 2013
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  14. freedom2013

    freedom2013 Boxing Junkie banned

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    Wilder has only fought one undefeated half-decent heavyweight, Kelvin Price. He's the equivalent of the first undefeated HW Wlad KOed, Najee Shaheed, or the second, Zoran Vujecic.

    Damon McCreary was a fat age 40 retired super-middleweight. Darren Caudle from Fattiesville, AR was a clubfighter who has lost all his six fights by KO after fighting Wilder! :oops:

    Jerry Vaughn was 2-0 and never beat a single boxer with a win on his record! :oops: Shannon Gray was 1-0 against a 1-2 boxer. Neither have fought since.

    Not the same as defeating an undefeated contender 29-0 Calvin Brock, or undefeated WBA and 2001 world amateur champion Ruslan Chagaev, or WBO champion Sultan Ibragimov, or former 2003 amateur world champion and 2004 Olympic Gold medal winner Alexander Povetkin.

    I like Wilder and I believe he has great potential. But he should take on an undefeated CONTENDER like Fury, Ortiz, Glazkov, Mansour, Perez, Abdusalamov or Jennings.
     
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  15. freedom2013

    freedom2013 Boxing Junkie banned

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    No.

    Two-time heavyweight champion Chris Byrd fought at lower weight divisions (like Muhammed Ali) in the amateurs, but again like Ali, fought mainly as a heavyweight in the pros. He started fighting at heavyweight in 1994 at the age of 23, and was in his prime and the WBO heavyweight champion when Wlad fought him in 2000.

    Damon McCreary fought mainly as a super-middleweight/light heavyweight in the pros in the late 1990s and early 2000s, then retired in 2001. He returned in 2007 as a light heavyweight, and then retired again that year. Then he became fat and returned a few years later as a heavyweight (a pot-bellied older man).

    Chris Byrd is ranked by the BoxRec computer as a top 100 all-time heavyweight.
     
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