Wlad v Dempsey

Repeating the same nonsense 50 times makes it no more true.

Wlad leads. He is not a counter puncher by style or design. He exploits his immense physical gifts while protecting his weaknesses. He has closed out the division over the last 8 years. He's a brick wall; even the top contenders admit it. How often has it been said in the past few years about a young buck, even by his own trainer or promoter, that "He can beat anyone but Wlad"? The division has collectively cried "uncle" and is waiting for him to retire. He has just been that dominant.

And cry all day about the quality of division because that just speaks of someone who doesn't know their history. Among the champs who have been judged by their contemporaries to have toiled in moribund eras, or were themselves moribund champs, were Lewis, Holmes, Patterson, Louis, Dempsey himself and Johnson. And when we really look at it, we can add to that list Jeffries, Marciano and latter day Ali. That's pretty damn fine company. When we really look at

 

He has been knocked out by three nobodies. Knocked out in sections in comical fashion. Hit him and he cries uncle.....end of story.

 

I am probably more confident about Dempsey beating Wladimir than any other fantasy fight you could make between two notable heavyweights.

Dempsey has the speed and movement to get in the kind of positions Povetkin couldn't, the tenacity and short punches to disable Wladimir's smothering tactic, and the body-to-head combinations that would capsize his timid style of jabbing and hoping everything will be peachy.

Lennox Lewis would fair better because was far more assertive and could rip in short uppercuts to belligerent types. Wladimir lacks both the necessary punch selection and grit to even get a foot hold in this one.

Dempsey cracks him early, Wladimir panics. Game over.

 

Who is talking about skill.

I am talking about punching power.

By the way, if Sanders caught Dempsey like he caught Wlad, I think there is a good chance Dempsey could fight his way out of trouble, certainly with a one-minute rest period to help him.

 

Watch Dempsey have ten kinds of hell against the 6'1" 200 pd Bill Brennan when Brennan used a jab and grab style punctuated by short rights and left hooks when Dempsey was able to get inside. Wlad was bigger and better than Brennan in every way and utilizes the same style. Dempsey would have nightmares for years after facing Wlad.

 

I disagree.

 

I can't relate to a matchup like this. The eras are so far removed from each other that it's impossible for me to take this seriously.

For instance, where are they fighting, and under what conditions? The baking Toledo sun, or an airconditioned arena?
Is the neutral corner rule in effect?
Are they fightng over 10, 12, 15 or 20 rounds?
What equipment are they using? Liiterally every piece of equipment from Dempsey's era to Klitschko's era is different in their manufacture.
Who is the ref?

Surely one establishes the basics before waffling on about speed and power and yada yada.

 

If this fight was actually shown live, it would change everyone's perspective.

I don't think it would last four rounds.

 

Firpo was slow, ponderous and possessed with two left feet and only a very passing knowledge of what we call boxing. Sanders was fast, very athletic, and had good amateur pedigree. Worlds apart. Sanders' problem was commitment and preparation.

 

Absolutely no fighter from 100 years ago would have an icecube's chance in hell against a modern day SHW like Bowe, Lewis or either K brothers. These would be ridiculous mismatches.

What's funny is that nobody disputes that today's 100m mens sprinters would kick the living **** out of their peers from 100 years ago. Just in boxing some idiots always come up with reasons why their heroes from times past would not only be competitive but actually beat (!) modern day athletes. It's hilarious.

 

For the guys who think Dempsey would beat Wlad with ease. Watch this video, then get back to me. Dempsey - by today's standards - was a crude street brawler with little boxing skill. Add to that a cruiserweight frame and you have a recipe for a complete mismatch:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJkiwu_04dw&hd=1

 

Vlad's jab alone will have Dempsey on ***** street. Imagine the damage that Vlad would do to the runt in those little gloves. Dempsey literally has a better chance of being killed in the ring than of winning the fight.

 

To play the other side of the coin, that's just a bag workout, not indicative of his skill. There are all kinds of workouts on the heavybag and most of them look nothing like boxing.

 

I think Jack Dempsey, especially with some modern strength and conditioning, would have an excellent shot at beating Wlad.

He would probably be 10 or 15 lbs heavier, without compromising speed, in fact he would be faster and more explosive.

Considering Wlad has a glass jaw and no uppercut, I can easily see Dempsey slipping his shots and coming up with hooks and uppercuts.

It wouldn't take many flush shots to have Wlad crawling on the ground picking up the pieces of his life.

 

40 second clip of Dempsey hitting a heavy bag is all you need to see? Dempsey was a HIGHLY skilled hwt. Always fought on his toes ready to spring forward at his opponent. Best bob and weave inside fighter in hwt history, one of boxing hardest punchers. As per Gibbons and Tunney he was also a great boxer Tunney..."Dempsey was not a brawler but a fusion of great boxer and puncher". Read Dempseys book on how to box...it's one of the best technical reads concerning boxing technique ever to be written.