Live Fast, Die Young: The Life and Times of Harry Greb

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  1. klompton2

    klompton2 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Id rather not get in to numbers but it is doing well and Im happy with the sales. I just found out yesterday that Mike Tyson is reading it, which is thrilling because hes always been one of my favorites.
     
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    klompton2 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Thank you once again for the kind words. Im glad you have been enjoying it. Is it the second Flowers fight or the third? Those fights were sad to write about as well. They really spelled the end of Greb's career. He was crushed by the loss of his title and his inability to put up a better performance. But as his handlers said, you cant take a fighter like Flowers lightly, do the minimal amount of training, and the expect to keep your championship. I mean, who prepares for a southpaw as awkward as Flowers without having a single lefty in camp??
     
  3. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    The first; my take before reading your book was that Flowers lost the first one with a sub-par performance but turned the clock back in the second one and was deserving of the nod; please don't tell me if that thinking will still stand, I want to wait and see. I'm literally at the point where the decision has been read and Flowers clicks his heels together.

    Yes, the story about Greb asking his boy to fight left which he attempted to do but then turned right as soon as he got hurt was natural, funny, sad and "true". Witnessing second hand, in a manner of speaking, the emergence of Flowers has been an enormous pleasure for me, one of many additional, unexpected treats. I imagine it would have been crushing to write about these fights in the light of the arch of this book.
     
  4. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    :lol::shock:
     
  5. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    It's my busy season for work so I just finally finished it. I am promoting this book to every boxing fan or potential boxing fan I meet or know.

    It was a different game back then... but it was the same game (and games)... Reading about the **** that Dempsey and Tunney pulled on Greb is very relatable to today.

    Great work.
     
  6. klompton2

    klompton2 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Thank you! Yes, had Greb been a better "connected" fighter there's no telling what he would have accomplished. McTigue wouldnt have been able to duck him, he wouldnt have lost that controversial decision to Tunney (which could have altered history), the press in New York which basically wrote (incorrectly) his legacy would have been more kind to him, and he likely would have gotten a shot at Dempsey, among other things.

    Incidently Im working on two books right now (which hopefully wont take me 11 years to complete). One is a book detailing the Harry Wills-Jack Dempsey rivalry and all of it's behind the scenes chicanery. The other is a book about the middleweight muddle of the 1910s. It starts out with the death of Stanley Ketchel and how that threw the division into turmoil for the next decade or so and ends with Greb winning the championship. I acquired so much great information on guys like Frank Klaus, Billy Papke, Jack Dillon, Eddie McGoorty, Les Darcy, Al McCoy, Mike Gibbons, Mike O'Dowd, Jimmy Clabby and the other claimants of the era that I thought it would be a fun project to make sense of the era.
     
  7. dpw417

    dpw417 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Here's a vote for you to work on the middleweight book next. I'd like to see Klaus, Papke, Dillon, and especially Mike Gibbons brought out into the light...just my take.
     
  8. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    The Dempsey - Wills will be much, much more marketable and possibly cross big time into the main stream if you are able to utilize Wills as a focal point for just how terrible the color line was, how many lives it impacted in the game and truly how meaningless the history of the sport is prior to full intergration ... almost every champion should have asterisks next to his reign ... I'm reading Kevin Smith's The Sundowners now and it is heartbreaking ... little sums it up better than the photo of the late in life staged meeting between a disgusted Wills and a sheepish Dempsey ...
     
  9. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    Most boxing fans today do not know who Harry Greb is, so selling a lot of books will be tough on this subject material. There is no film on Greb in the ring and he died young.

    Speaking of that, is there a passage on the book on why there is no film on Greb?
     
  10. Seamus

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    Looking forward to them. Both excellent topics.

    If you need an proofing I have experience.
     
  11. Chuck1052

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    Mike Tyson never got enough credit for his genuine interest in the history of boxing. I don't know if he read that much about it, but it does appear that he watched many fight films and talked to people about boxing's past.

    - Chuck Johnston
     
  12. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    should have called the book "live fast, well hung".
     
  13. Chuck1052

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    While attending the this year's California Boxing Hall of Fame ceremony and luncheon today, I talked to JJ Johnston (no relation), who had quite a bit of praise for Live Fast, Die Young: The Life and Times of Harry Greb. He also gave high marks to Sam Langford, Boxing's Greatest Uncrowned Champion.

    - Chuck Johnston
     
  14. mattdonnellon

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    Kompton, what do you think of McTigue, Bartley Madden and Jim Coffey? I seem to recall that you didn't rate McTigue at all...?
     
  15. klompton2

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    McTigue is one of the worst champions in history. He is on par with Al McCoy. His entire reign was a sham from winning a robbery over Siki (who was not that good) to his refusal to meet anyone threatening (he ducked out of agreed upon title defenses against Greb and Tunney), to his shenanigans sorrounding the first Stribling fight, a fight he actively sought because he figured Stribling was a 18 year old easy mark and then when he realized Stribling could fight a little he tried everything he could to worm his way out of the fight even with a handpicked, imported referee who was there to protect McTigue (and did). McTigue is a perfect example of everything that is wrong with that era of boxing.

    Bartley Madden was a human heavy bag who made a career out of taking beatings while being able to stand upright. He was actually not a bad fighter on a good day but for the most part he was just a tough journeyman. Good right hand though when he could land it.

    Coffey wasnt a bad fighter. At his best he was a "B" level fighter and Id rate him higher than Madden (even though Madden ended up beating him). Coffey's problem, like a lot of big guys from that era, was that he could be out-thought and outboxed. But at his best he was one of the better white hopes of the era until he ran into Moran.