Who gives a prime Ali nightmares?

FRANKENFRANK...gotcha now my man...have read the link u suggested from way back..yep im fairly new on here but been a boxing fan all my life..and been in a ring a few times myself..not sure how many on here done that ?...anyway thats not important..yeh i 'get you ' regarding Ali..dont think many others will....i still think he is unique and a legend...but i have always thought his overall cv wasnt as good as many made out..Lennoxs for example is better...people would argue though he fought evrryone which is true although he ducked one or two rematches that he would probably have losy..ie foreman and maybe norton again...the weakness in his record for me is in the sixties he judt beat old men or guys liston had mashed years earlier....first time he fought somebody similar age and unbeaten...frazier..he lost..then it happened again..Norton....i always think the Foreman fight was what cemented his fame in the eyes of most...then he fought alot of third raters after that...
finally my man...i noticed you wrote normally back then...what hapened to make you go all "Rasta afro caribean grafiti trash talk boy`?
PS..Dont get why people nasty about u my man.

 

He probably did it more against Blue Lewis than all his other opponents combined.

Ali unloaded a good body shot combo following his first double shuffle against Cleveland Williams, opened round four of Bugner II with a body shot combo against a reclining challenger which Don Dunphy described as "Solid thumps!," and went under on Terrell a few times. There were a few hooks to the body of southpaw Mildenberger. Usually, he went downstairs on taller opponents who were open to the body when there was little risk of him getting countered with head shots.

Blue Lewis was likely his most consistent display of body punching, but it piled up points more than wore his man down. Holmes though, may well have decided Carl Williams in his favor with the effects of his late round body attack.

 

In
The sixties he could only fight what was there maybe some of Liston's leftovers but there was the little matter of beating Liston himself.
Sure Frazier and Norton beat him both avenged though and all after a near 4 year layoff.
If we're talking about CV's then no heavyweight comes close. Between 1962 and 1980 he fought every top contender it was possible to fight and ducked no one.
In fact we never actually saw the best of Ali he was reaching his peak years between '66 and '70 at the time of the lay off he was simply awesome.

 

I don't really think that Ali could have got much better than he actually was circa 1966-67. He was THAT good in that timeframe. The only difference would be is that he would have kept at that peak for a few years longer,obviously. Providing he'd still been active by 1972,he'd have settled at the level he actually did do between 1972-74.

 

Ali haters, especially the Frazier Fan Boys won't accept this but it is true.

 

Farr was no puncher.

 

Similar to what Ali did to Frazier then?

 

This is pretty distasteful.

 

Indeed.

 

Maybe Ali was getting his own back? Lewis damaged his ribs in sparring once. He cracked a couple sparring for the first Quarry fight

 

I think there is a real probablity he would have been stronger , bigger ,with increased durability and without any appreciable loss of speed. He could have honed his abilities further too ,29 fights is not an extensive resume.

I would agree though that the Ali who destroyed Williams was about as close to unbeatable as I have seen a heavyweight.
Jose Torres shared this view.

 

Aye. It's called having no argument.

 

Yes,I read that in Jose's book about Ali - Sting Like A Bee. Really enjoyed that book. He actually made me feel I was sitting ringside at the Quarry,Bonavena and Frazier fights.

 

Ray Mercer. Ali is the greatest. But Mercer had the tools the give him trouble. Great chin, solid puncher with some skill. Shorter and thick build to bang inside. Ali wins, just a name that gives him a real fight.

 

liston was washed up when ali.got him..hadnt had a proper fight for years..mid thirties at least which was old back then...alchoholic outta shape..trained four five rounds at best...took blatant dive in second fight..