Is it really irrational to say Pacman was on PEDs?

It seems the OP thinks we should weigh what we did at 16 years old for the rest of our lives. Medically speaking, men continue growing until about 21. Looks like Pac is held to a higher standard, he has to be full grown at 16. I have no problem with holding great champions to a higher standard.

 

Senior?lol Remember Roger said Pac was on an ancient steroid called A-side Meth?LOL. Drug addicts love to accuse other of using drugs.

 

Floyd and PAC started at the same weight

Floyd is older than PAC

PAC started off as a diamond in the rough

Roach taught him how to box

PAC was always explosive, he destroyed a prime Barrera

No one accused him then

Some fighters carry weight better than others

 

Pac was coming in close to welterweight weight on fight night when he was fighting at 130. His early fights against MAB and JMM 1 he looked like a skeleton. But I still think Pacs best weight is around 140-143.

 

Exactly. At 16, I think I was around 100 pounds

More than 10 years later, I now weigh 160 pounds

I guess I am on steroids

 

This is just flat out nonsensical. How many years experience do the Mayweathers have collectively in Boxing? What have they accomplished?

If anyone has wisdom where the fight game is concerned, it is the Mayweather clan..

 

Stop talking out of your ass.

Pacquiao straight up REFUSED random blood and urine testing in the first round of negotiations with Mayweather. This is a FACT.

 

Without conclusive proof that he was on PEDs, yes, it is irrational to say that he was on them. Saying that you suspect him is one thing, but flat out stating that he was on them as if you know for a fact that he was is total bull****.

 

If just his many weight climbs and wearing down and beating down much bigger fighters with pure activity without showing any signs of fatigue is'nt suspicion enough.......
How anyone can watch this and come to the conclusion there is'nt a rationale to highly suspect Pacquiao is a cheat of the highest order is beyond all logic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCa1-X7ey5Y


On the day Pacquiao did that interview, he essentially took a noose to his own neck and hung himself.
Point blank!

 

Another good and reasonable post.

 

Exposed by the guy he beat three times who happens to be one of the best fighter to come out of Mexico and an ATG :rofl:rofl:rofl Jesus I'll own you anythime :hey

 

Mayweathers said they "wish to make it clear that they never intended to claim that Manny Pacquiao has used or is using any performance-enhancing drugs, nor are they aware of any evidence that Manny Pacquiao has used performance-enhancing drugs."

The Mayweathers didn't want to push through in court.

http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/i...ather-manny-pacquiao-settling-defamation-case

 

When he refused the drug testing, he opened the door to accusations. That's basically what it boils down to, it just looked really bad.

At the time it definitely crossed my mind that he could be. On reflection I don't think so but there was cause to be suspicious. Paulie Malignaggi was convinced at the time:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0CVncyIYrU

Also, I think there is more cause to believe Marquez used PED's than there was with Pacquiao.

 

I don't understand how some of you guys still wonder about this when its so damm obvious. Stop being un denial because he's a good , likeable person.

Didn't agreed to a RAMDOM test for 40 million plus, but now its ok to do ir for. . . .
Rios? Hum . .

The guy went from destroying hatton and cotto, to struggle with old shane and timmy

and i could go on.

 

Yeah there's real reason to believe that Marquez who started several weight divsiions above Pacquiao's and who now climbs a ring lighter than Pacquiao is the one with the most probability to be on them. :nut

Marquez is the naturally bigger fighter, the weighin's from all their previous fights show it. Marquez is thicker from the waist up, and yet when they weigh in as Welters, Marquez weighs in at 143 lbs and Pacquiao now comes in at nearly the limit of 147 lbs.
That in itself is cause to suspect Pacquiao, but because of Marquez' association with an ex-dealer who btw has a strenghth and nutrition degree that some strenghth and conditioning coaches that Pacquiao has hired dont, where is the logic here to suspect Marquez more than Pacquiao???

Both Heredia and Conte have been under the watch of the US federal government since they were found out.
You would think that would be a detterent to these guys to keep operating illegally.
Has Alex Ariza ever been?????

Ariza is Pacquiao's former S&C coach and he believes that Marquez' conditioning is legit and not through the use of illegal PED's.
Go figure!

All I'm saying is that there is'nt cause to suspect one more than the other.
IF anything you suspect the fighter that turned down the richest payday in boxing history over not wanting to go through PED testing.