Man, this Frampton kid from ireland can fight!

Frampton himself actually aknowledges the difference between Ireland and Britain. Being a kid from Tigers Bay, he can claim being British all he wants, but at least he isn't ignorant on the subject, unlike some of the experts on this thread who when the going gets tough say "Oh, I don't wanna talk about this sectarian rubbish" don't offer an opinion on it then

Of course, I've actually heard Frampton talk on the subject, again unlike some of you


Oh and of course we also get the guys who say "McGuigan united the people of Belfast when he fought!!!"

yeah..did he ****.. Boxing has always been non sectarian in Belfast, it didn't take the over-rated McGuigan to "unite" the people. But again, you would actually have to know something about this place to know that, rather than go by media talking points

 

I didn't say you started it but you are the one perpetuating it and trying to drag subsequent posts into it. And, frankly, what makes you appear anti-British was a post #69 of this thread where you basically pinned sole blame for the Troubles on Britain and the fact that you decided to further imply that idea in the way you responded to my post.

Again, I am not interested in discussing the Troubles, in getting involved in what will invariably descend into a tit-for-tat quarrel about who was more to blame and who did the more vile and barbaric things during it.

Just accept the fact that I respect that there have been political difficulties and that Britain has to shoulder a large portion of the blame for them, and that I am not going to claim Carl Frampton is British unless he comes out and say that he has no problems being considered British, and move on.

 

Ermmm... they were to blame, like I said, the plantation, and the subsequent gerrymandering of the North in capitulation to Carsons threats

nothing against you personally buddy, but don't accuse others of being ignorant when you say Britain has "a large shoulder of the blame"

ALL of the blame

look, I have my own issues with the Irish government, ALL of them, but the British government caused the troubles, fact

edit: actually, Michael Collins was a traitor too, but the primary factor was British Imperialism

 

I have never called you ignorant, I have not even implied it. Told you twice now that I'm not intetrested in discussing this. Presented you with an option to get out of this amicably. You have ignored me and continue to try to drag me into a discussion that you know full well I have no interest in. Welcome to my ignore list.

 

ignore list? are you serious?

oh by the way, please try not to be patronising

"presented you with an option"

please....

 

Your having a laugh right:yep

 

doesn't really matter just a hype job quigg will drop the short are as would kid galahad and there is no question of there nationality

 

dont think he is.... collins was 1 traitorous *******good

 

south belfast county down??? lol...

 

why the **** does anyone care where he is from??he will claim to be british and irish (which is just one of the many perks of being from the place lol) hes from tigers bay..which is a protestant area and i very much doubt anyone in the place calls themselves irish..that being said..no one should give a **** and just get behind the lad as he is a cracking talent...

 

I think Frampton is the man to finally bring peace love and harmony to the North of Ireland.



As for Wayne McCullough he fought as an amateur for Ireland including carrying the Irish Tricolour at the 1988 Olympic Games.

He went to America where he made his name as a pro and never fought for British titles.

He is from the Shankill Road a staunch loyalist area.

He didn't play the Irish or British national anthems at his pro fights.

He has always been one of my hero's for a lot of different reasons. I first met him when he was 17 in the Irish training camp for an underage tournament.


McGuigan was different. He was a wheelin' dealin' man from Monaghan who would fight for Timbuktu if he could make a bob and get his face in the spot light. Wee Barry's only loyalty was to his ego.

 

Carl is marrying a Catholic girl at the end of this week. Im pretty sure he is more aware of the history or Northern Ireland only too well & doesnt wish to align himself with any side.

 

they would say they are British, that's what all the riots were about wasn't it? pokel you ****ing **** sucking yank *****

 

ye what are you from the north of the republic of Ireland but still from the republic of Ireland and not northern Ireland.

 

Hmmm the argument the Brits have when trying to claim every ****ing fighter going is the "well he trained in Britain, learned his craft there, so therefore is British regardless of ethnicity or heritage yada yada yada". Like the Canadian/Jamaican Lennox Lewis, the Polish Carl Froch, the ****stani Khan, etc,etc...

Well being consistent, Carl Frampton fought for Ireland as an amateur, trained in Irish gyms, was taught his craft by Irish trainers, sparred with other Irish amateurs. He was not on Team GB so how in the hell Brits can try to claim him is ludicrous.

He is now promoted by an Irish man, trained by said Irish man's son and fights in Belfast, Northern IRELAND, which is part of the UK but NOT part of Britain.

He will no doubt have his sights set on the US market in the future so will obviously use his Irish heritage to this end, regardless of where his loyalty lies, I mean the average American has no interest or reason to get excited about a Brit fighter, an Irish one promoted by Barry McGuigan could be huge over there however.

But if the wildly insecure Brits so badly feel the need to claim yet another fighter, they should go right ahead but just realize that you are basically contradicting every argument you have when trying to claim fighters such as Fury and Macklin.