Floyd Mayweather: a Legacy In Retreat

dellgriff80 · Oct 24, 2013

Mayweather fans constantly repeat, 'the point of boxing is to hit and not get hit'.

That right there is a sparring session.

Shane Mosely, after fighting Floyd, said it felt like a sparring session. 'I didn't even have to go to the hospital afterwards'.

In the latter-half of Floyd's career, most of his fights are like sparring sessions, were he takes zero risks, applies zero effort in satisfying the fans with a beatdown or knockout of his opponents. Sparring sessions.

Something different happened with the Cotto fight. I saw Floyd conduct himself differently than his past legacy. It was like he was forcing himself to remain in the pocket, in the danger zone, and fight like a man. Until round 9, anyways, where he took the rest of the fight off, running. It was almost as if he was putting himself in that manner of combat to make his star shine - to raise his marketing value.

But now, no. He has a gaurentee with Showtime. Money in the bank, no matter how he stinks out his fights, his pachecks are gaurenteed. All he has to do is a good acting job, to go on camera and convince the buying public how much damage he's going to do to his opponent, how he's going to go for the knockout, like he said about Canelo beforehand. One boxing writer wrote an incredulous piece mocking such an idea. I think it was called, 'Does anybody really believe Floyd Mayweather will try to knock out Canelo'?

Nonito Smoak · Oct 24, 2013

Flexb said: ↑

in hopes of seeing Mayweather either get KO'd or finally actually FIGHT like a man. Of course, we never get to see either.
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And there you have it.

He never loses and manages to infuriate humans everywhere because of so.

That's a legacy worth having.

Grinder · Oct 24, 2013

maravilla come down to 154 and fight Floyd.

Nonito Smoak · Oct 24, 2013

Grinder said: ↑

maravilla come down to 154 and fight Floyd.
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Where he hasn't fought in nearly 5 years?

Word.

Mr Pibb · Oct 24, 2013

JASPER said: ↑

Did not read this racist and mentally unstable tirade . . . saw shuck and jive and knew this guy was a f'n dumbass:nut
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He's a typical butthurt mexican.

Above Deck · Oct 24, 2013

Read up to shucked and jive, then stopped.

Sunchild78 · Oct 24, 2013

dellgriff80 said: ↑

Canelo Alvarez vs. Floyd Mayweather
Floyd Mayweather stunk the joint out. There's that saying, 'win this one, look good the next time'.
The problem is, Floyd Mayweather has stunk out an entire career. Shuckin' and jivin', sneaky pot-shots, then bolts like a flushed rabbit from a hunter's dog.

There is something mystical about a boxing match which the male ego is powerless to resist. To the male viewers, our personal sense of overpowering and dominating a credible enemy is evoked - us imagining our own two dukes were at play (ever watch a boxing fan go through the movements - especially when beer's involved?) With this combat sport -these battles - we live vicariously through the FIGHTERS

Floyd Mayweather is a disgrace to FIGHTERS, the purest definition being, two people standing in front of each other in active combat. To true fighters, damage taken en rout to the victory is a badge of honor - a symbol of one's own committment to endangering himself in order to vanquish his foe to get the knockout: one guy goes out the victor, but they both go out on their shields. To the pure pugilist, there is nothing more courageous than baptism under fire. This is the purest virtue and fight appeal to fans, be it a fight between 2 guys in a back alley of a bar, or two tremendously-conditioned athletes on the biggest stage possible. Even the face-off photo-ops they make the fighters engage in is a little tease - a microcosm - of the close-combat battling the fighters are expected (and advertised) to partake in.
Floyd Mayweather circumvents this - he hates these virtues. Floyd Mayweather could care less about the primal passions stirred in the boxing public's hearts when they pay money to see two guys go toe-to-toe - he has cavalier indifference to this. Floyd will enter into combat, yea, but only with laser-guided bombs, detached, from a safe distance - no bayonets needed. His running style lacks both asthetics and virtue. He is the most evasive fighter in history and he's only able to score his backwards-momentum punches by virtue of his freakishly long reach advantage - pot-shots.

Who wants to pay to see some guy fight a skittish jackrabbit? "If I wanted to see the Tour de France, I'd go to France", Larry Merchant once lamented. "Ran like a chicken", was the view of Robert Guerrero's father on Mayweather's performance against his son. "At least Pacquiao will stand and fight" was the analysis of J.M. Marquez when comparing the two.

Mayweather fights going backward, almost like running backwards on a treadmill. No...like a kangaroo leaping backwards on a backwards treadmill. Other metaphors will suffice:
perhaps like a matador facing the charging bull, only in Mayweather's role as said matador, he doesn't stand close enough to impale with a sword, no. He'd use a 15-foot, long range spear, as to avoid any possible contact with his foe.

Or, try this one. Mayweather reminds me of the small birds that mob and harrass raptors in flight: they'll endlessly menace and pick at the larger animal, but are never brave or bold enough to full-on attack it. Floyd Mayweather fights like that.

Or perhaps, a wolf chasing a faster-running deer: imagine this chase through 12 stanzas, where the wolf is completely incapable of catching up to the deer for that duration, but always manages to get close enough for the deer to deliver a swift kick to keep the wolf at a distance. Take that scenario, that metaphor, and conflate it with the way floyd metes out just enough taps and potshots to pad the judges scorecards, who have no choice but to give the round(s) to the fleet-footed, pot-shot-sneaking Mayweather - like the fleeing deer scoring random kicks to prolong his retreats.

There's your 74.95 folks. Enjoy.

People don't buy ppvs to see scorecards padded with potshots. People pay to see, for lack of a better phrase, somebody getting knocked the **ck out.

Showtime commentator Bob Sheridan tried - rather conspicuously - to sell you on Mayweather's supposed stylistic virtues in-fight, almost willing his (manufactured) enthusiasm onto the audience, hoping they'd buy it and distract from the obvious: Floyd Mayweather was, yet again, 'stinking the joint out', refusing to engage his opponent. The showtime commentators even said in round 10 that Mayweather wouldn't be knocking out this guy. That's an implicit way of stating the obvious: Mayweather will risk nothing to give the fans their money's worth. Mayweather WILL NOT go out on his shield. He's already got 'money in the bank' so to speak(padded scorecards), and since his money is gaurenteed to him over the 6-fight deal, he's got not motive to try to impress and entertain anyone or risk anything, despite his boasts.

To the knowledgeable viewer, it was kind of obvious what the Showtime Commentator Bob Sheridan was doing: trying to protect their Company's massive investment by hyping their 'product'. But, as so often is the case with product hype, alot of B.S. was involved.

"Folks, you are watching one of the greatest fighters in the history of boxing. Be pleased you spent your money to see this. Be pleased." Well, showtime announcer, no matter how much you need for me to find pleasure in your little investment, I've got eyes and discernment of my own, and I'm NOT pleased; you can will your manufactured enthusiasm onto me, the boxing fan, all you want, but I'm still rolling my eyes watching a fighter who will not engage his opponent like a man.

As for the biased Sheridan commentary, there was something sophomoric about it: clearly not on the same level of polish, professionalism and journalistic style we've seen from the various HBO commentators.

Floyd Mayweather despite himself rouses the loyalty of at least one sector of America - disinfranchized Black young adults, to whom Floyd could do no wrong. Floyd emulates and embodies their sensibilities and mal-adaptive philosophies of life. To them, Floyd represents something apart from the iconic virtues of other defense-oriented Black fighters like Sugar Ray Leonard and Pernell Whitaker - fighters who, even while being evasive-oriented, managed to excite in a way that Floyd rarely does.

In the Sept. 14th fight, Canelo's a$$ was kicked. By himself. He gassed himself chasing phantoms to the point of exhaustion. I want my money back. I wanted to see A FIGHT.
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Sounds like someone is still hurting over the Canelo lost. Dude get over it. If your really that disgusted by Floyd domination, then you should become a boxer and do something about it.

Pimp C · Oct 24, 2013

dellgriff80 said: ↑

Canelo Alvarez vs. Floyd Mayweather
Floyd Mayweather stunk the joint out. There's that saying, 'win this one, look good the next time'.
The problem is, Floyd Mayweather has stunk out an entire career. Shuckin' and jivin', sneaky pot-shots, then bolts like a flushed rabbit from a hunter's dog.

There is something mystical about a boxing match which the male ego is powerless to resist. To the male viewers, our personal sense of overpowering and dominating a credible enemy is evoked - us imagining our own two dukes were at play (ever watch a boxing fan go through the movements - especially when beer's involved?) With this combat sport -these battles - we live vicariously through the FIGHTERS

Floyd Mayweather is a disgrace to FIGHTERS, the purest definition being, two people standing in front of each other in active combat. To true fighters, damage taken en rout to the victory is a badge of honor - a symbol of one's own committment to endangering himself in order to vanquish his foe to get the knockout: one guy goes out the victor, but they both go out on their shields. To the pure pugilist, there is nothing more courageous than baptism under fire. This is the purest virtue and fight appeal to fans, be it a fight between 2 guys in a back alley of a bar, or two tremendously-conditioned athletes on the biggest stage possible. Even the face-off photo-ops they make the fighters engage in is a little tease - a microcosm - of the close-combat battling the fighters are expected (and advertised) to partake in.
Floyd Mayweather circumvents this - he hates these virtues. Floyd Mayweather could care less about the primal passions stirred in the boxing public's hearts when they pay money to see two guys go toe-to-toe - he has cavalier indifference to this. Floyd will enter into combat, yea, but only with laser-guided bombs, detached, from a safe distance - no bayonets needed. His running style lacks both asthetics and virtue. He is the most evasive fighter in history and he's only able to score his backwards-momentum punches by virtue of his freakishly long reach advantage - pot-shots.

Who wants to pay to see some guy fight a skittish jackrabbit? "If I wanted to see the Tour de France, I'd go to France", Larry Merchant once lamented. "Ran like a chicken", was the view of Robert Guerrero's father on Mayweather's performance against his son. "At least Pacquiao will stand and fight" was the analysis of J.M. Marquez when comparing the two.

Mayweather fights going backward, almost like running backwards on a treadmill. No...like a kangaroo leaping backwards on a backwards treadmill. Other metaphors will suffice:
perhaps like a matador facing the charging bull, only in Mayweather's role as said matador, he doesn't stand close enough to impale with a sword, no. He'd use a 15-foot, long range spear, as to avoid any possible contact with his foe.

Or, try this one. Mayweather reminds me of the small birds that mob and harrass raptors in flight: they'll endlessly menace and pick at the larger animal, but are never brave or bold enough to full-on attack it. Floyd Mayweather fights like that.

Or perhaps, a wolf chasing a faster-running deer: imagine this chase through 12 stanzas, where the wolf is completely incapable of catching up to the deer for that duration, but always manages to get close enough for the deer to deliver a swift kick to keep the wolf at a distance. Take that scenario, that metaphor, and conflate it with the way floyd metes out just enough taps and potshots to pad the judges scorecards, who have no choice but to give the round(s) to the fleet-footed, pot-shot-sneaking Mayweather - like the fleeing deer scoring random kicks to prolong his retreats.

There's your 74.95 folks. Enjoy.

People don't buy ppvs to see scorecards padded with potshots. People pay to see, for lack of a better phrase, somebody getting knocked the **ck out.

Showtime commentator Bob Sheridan tried - rather conspicuously - to sell you on Mayweather's supposed stylistic virtues in-fight, almost willing his (manufactured) enthusiasm onto the audience, hoping they'd buy it and distract from the obvious: Floyd Mayweather was, yet again, 'stinking the joint out', refusing to engage his opponent. The showtime commentators even said in round 10 that Mayweather wouldn't be knocking out this guy. That's an implicit way of stating the obvious: Mayweather will risk nothing to give the fans their money's worth. Mayweather WILL NOT go out on his shield. He's already got 'money in the bank' so to speak(padded scorecards), and since his money is gaurenteed to him over the 6-fight deal, he's got not motive to try to impress and entertain anyone or risk anything, despite his boasts.

To the knowledgeable viewer, it was kind of obvious what the Showtime Commentator Bob Sheridan was doing: trying to protect their Company's massive investment by hyping their 'product'. But, as so often is the case with product hype, alot of B.S. was involved.

"Folks, you are watching one of the greatest fighters in the history of boxing. Be pleased you spent your money to see this. Be pleased." Well, showtime announcer, no matter how much you need for me to find pleasure in your little investment, I've got eyes and discernment of my own, and I'm NOT pleased; you can will your manufactured enthusiasm onto me, the boxing fan, all you want, but I'm still rolling my eyes watching a fighter who will not engage his opponent like a man.

As for the biased Sheridan commentary, there was something sophomoric about it: clearly not on the same level of polish, professionalism and journalistic style we've seen from the various HBO commentators.

Floyd Mayweather despite himself rouses the loyalty of at least one sector of America - disinfranchized Black young adults, to whom Floyd could do no wrong. Floyd emulates and embodies their sensibilities and mal-adaptive philosophies of life. To them, Floyd represents something apart from the iconic virtues of other defense-oriented Black fighters like Sugar Ray Leonard and Pernell Whitaker - fighters who, even while being evasive-oriented, managed to excite in a way that Floyd rarely does.

In the Sept. 14th fight, Canelo's a$$ was kicked. By himself. He gassed himself chasing phantoms to the point of exhaustion. I want my money back. I wanted to see A FIGHT.
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PBF keeps schooling all of my hero's. This is boxing motherfcuka and PBF is the best at it the sooner you realize this the sooner you'll be able to sleep at night.:deal

PolishNavy · Oct 24, 2013

Floyd is always in great shape and his defensive skills are second to none. He does what he has to do. Considering his lack of power, he has managed to defeat all of his opponents. Generational great.

billvp · Oct 24, 2013

I have never bought a Mayweather fight and never will, since his style is not entertaining to me. To others, apparently, it is since he does good numbers. To each his own.

Mr Pibb · Oct 24, 2013

billvp said: ↑

I have never bought a Mayweather fight and never will, since his style is not entertaining to me. To others, apparently, it is since he does good numbers. To each his own.
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the best numbers ever...

victor879 · Oct 24, 2013

#1 at 154 and 147 pounds at almost 37 years of age.

Cinderella Man · Oct 24, 2013

dellgriff80 said: ↑

True in one sense, but boxing depend on the lust and passions of the ppv-buying fans, who demand to see FIGHTING, to see COMBAT. Fighters like Mayweather send them over to Dana White in droves.
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By breaking all-time PPV and Gate records?... Twice?

JASPER · Oct 24, 2013

Why do "fans" come on here to make a complete A$$ of themselves? Just because people cannot see you typing stupid sh!t doesn't mean you should throw up every f'n ******ed thing that comes in your head. This is BOXING not some toughman competition. Every smart fighter should fight in a way to prolong their health to prolong their livelihood. I am sure most boxing fans love a great knock'em down slugfeast but true fans also love to see a master like Floyd perform his craft at the highest level. Dont blame him because he is at another level where the much larger and younger man was frozen like a deer in headlights, mesmerized by the spectacle that was before him.

Floyd is a genius in and out of the ring. He is the highest paid athlete in the world by become boxing biggest bad boy that everyone loves to hate. Floyd has fools like yourself that constantly keeps his name on the lips of everyone on fans lips and further forcing fans to love him or hate him but they all will watch him. So as a fan of Mayweather and the sport i say thanks . . . for being an A$$hole

Real-G · Oct 24, 2013

dellgriff80 said: ↑

Canelo Alvarez vs. Floyd Mayweather
Floyd Mayweather stunk the joint out. There's that saying, 'win this one, look good the next time'.
The problem is, Floyd Mayweather has stunk out an entire career. Shuckin' and jivin', sneaky pot-shots, then bolts like a flushed rabbit from a hunter's dog.

There is something mystical about a boxing match which the male ego is powerless to resist. To the male viewers, our personal sense of overpowering and dominating a credible enemy is evoked - us imagining our own two dukes were at play (ever watch a boxing fan go through the movements - especially when beer's involved?) With this combat sport -these battles - we live vicariously through the FIGHTERS

Floyd Mayweather is a disgrace to FIGHTERS, the purest definition being, two people standing in front of each other in active combat. To true fighters, damage taken en rout to the victory is a badge of honor - a symbol of one's own committment to endangering himself in order to vanquish his foe to get the knockout: one guy goes out the victor, but they both go out on their shields. To the pure pugilist, there is nothing more courageous than baptism under fire. This is the purest virtue and fight appeal to fans, be it a fight between 2 guys in a back alley of a bar, or two tremendously-conditioned athletes on the biggest stage possible. Even the face-off photo-ops they make the fighters engage in is a little tease - a microcosm - of the close-combat battling the fighters are expected (and advertised) to partake in.
Floyd Mayweather circumvents this - he hates these virtues. Floyd Mayweather could care less about the primal passions stirred in the boxing public's hearts when they pay money to see two guys go toe-to-toe - he has cavalier indifference to this. Floyd will enter into combat, yea, but only with laser-guided bombs, detached, from a safe distance - no bayonets needed. His running style lacks both asthetics and virtue. He is the most evasive fighter in history and he's only able to score his backwards-momentum punches by virtue of his freakishly long reach advantage - pot-shots.

Who wants to pay to see some guy fight a skittish jackrabbit? "If I wanted to see the Tour de France, I'd go to France", Larry Merchant once lamented. "Ran like a chicken", was the view of Robert Guerrero's father on Mayweather's performance against his son. "At least Pacquiao will stand and fight" was the analysis of J.M. Marquez when comparing the two.

Mayweather fights going backward, almost like running backwards on a treadmill. No...like a kangaroo leaping backwards on a backwards treadmill. Other metaphors will suffice:
perhaps like a matador facing the charging bull, only in Mayweather's role as said matador, he doesn't stand close enough to impale with a sword, no. He'd use a 15-foot, long range spear, as to avoid any possible contact with his foe.

Or, try this one. Mayweather reminds me of the small birds that mob and harrass raptors in flight: they'll endlessly menace and pick at the larger animal, but are never brave or bold enough to full-on attack it. Floyd Mayweather fights like that.

Or perhaps, a wolf chasing a faster-running deer: imagine this chase through 12 stanzas, where the wolf is completely incapable of catching up to the deer for that duration, but always manages to get close enough for the deer to deliver a swift kick to keep the wolf at a distance. Take that scenario, that metaphor, and conflate it with the way floyd metes out just enough taps and potshots to pad the judges scorecards, who have no choice but to give the round(s) to the fleet-footed, pot-shot-sneaking Mayweather - like the fleeing deer scoring random kicks to prolong his retreats.

There's your 74.95 folks. Enjoy.

People don't buy ppvs to see scorecards padded with potshots. People pay to see, for lack of a better phrase, somebody getting knocked the **ck out.

Showtime commentator Bob Sheridan tried - rather conspicuously - to sell you on Mayweather's supposed stylistic virtues in-fight, almost willing his (manufactured) enthusiasm onto the audience, hoping they'd buy it and distract from the obvious: Floyd Mayweather was, yet again, 'stinking the joint out', refusing to engage his opponent. The showtime commentators even said in round 10 that Mayweather wouldn't be knocking out this guy. That's an implicit way of stating the obvious: Mayweather will risk nothing to give the fans their money's worth. Mayweather WILL NOT go out on his shield. He's already got 'money in the bank' so to speak(padded scorecards), and since his money is gaurenteed to him over the 6-fight deal, he's got not motive to try to impress and entertain anyone or risk anything, despite his boasts.

To the knowledgeable viewer, it was kind of obvious what the Showtime Commentator Bob Sheridan was doing: trying to protect their Company's massive investment by hyping their 'product'. But, as so often is the case with product hype, alot of B.S. was involved.

"Folks, you are watching one of the greatest fighters in the history of boxing. Be pleased you spent your money to see this. Be pleased." Well, showtime announcer, no matter how much you need for me to find pleasure in your little investment, I've got eyes and discernment of my own, and I'm NOT pleased; you can will your manufactured enthusiasm onto me, the boxing fan, all you want, but I'm still rolling my eyes watching a fighter who will not engage his opponent like a man.

As for the biased Sheridan commentary, there was something sophomoric about it: clearly not on the same level of polish, professionalism and journalistic style we've seen from the various HBO commentators.

Floyd Mayweather despite himself rouses the loyalty of at least one sector of America - disinfranchized Black young adults, to whom Floyd could do no wrong. Floyd emulates and embodies their sensibilities and mal-adaptive philosophies of life. To them, Floyd represents something apart from the iconic virtues of other defense-oriented Black fighters like Sugar Ray Leonard and Pernell Whitaker - fighters who, even while being evasive-oriented, managed to excite in a way that Floyd rarely does.

In the Sept. 14th fight, Canelo's a$$ was kicked. By himself. He gassed himself chasing phantoms to the point of exhaustion. I want my money back. I wanted to see A FIGHT.
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You're an idiot .. Boxing is not about too fighters standing in front of each other taking punishment, any drunk idiot can do that on any given day on any street corner in the world.
Boxing is being able to out think your opponent , no matter how fast, how strong , how big or how tuff he is. Its about using the tools and gifts you have, to your advantage to over come your opponents.

There no honor in getting your head bashed in , only too forget who your friends and family are, and getting spoon fed at 35, thats ****ing stupid.

Answer this, why would you, go toe to toe with a guy who out weighs you by 25lb ? To me thats a cowards way, your not even trying to win, your just taking your beating lying down. Thats like saying "I can't win , I never had a chance, why try ,Ill just take my beating and be a good LOSER!

Dont be a fighter if your not going to try your best, stay in the gym and hang yourself up from the rafters like the rest of the heavy bags and other lifeless equipment, because thats all you will be good for. So much for Honor as a punching bag.

Red knew the score, he watched the Floyd tapes, he just didn't have an answer. He could not out speed floyd, he could not out think him, he also found out he could not just bull doze floyd with his strength , which by the Way Shane Warned him not to try and do, why because Floyd is a lot stronger then he lets on, especially on the inside.

Floyd wins fights because of thought patterns like yours, people who refuse to think outside the box, who think only the strongest and faster fighters should dominate the sport, that type of thinking is as extinct as the dodo and the dinosaur.
So if you don't have a taste for the true sport of boxing, keep watching Rocky the science fiction movie. Anyone who believes a fighter can take that much punishment and still be alive has got to be the dumbest boxing fan ever.

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