Joe Calzaghe v Roy Jones Jnr 2002

That's right.

Dariusz did fight Hill before Roy did, but Roy had got Hill in his sights, early in 1997.

He also fought Roch who was a very good fighter, who Roy missed, but he play acted to get him DQ'd in their first fight.

But other than Hill, I believe Roy's wins over Del Valle, Reggie Johnson, Griffin (earlier) Hall (earlier) Gonzalez, Harding and Tarver eclipse what DM did at the weight.

I don't think their LHW resumes are even close, all things considered.

 

You are right... It isn't even close, not to mention, Roy looked better against the common opponent.

 

Quite right.


He destroyed Hill.

He destroyed Griffin in the rematch.

He toyed with Harmon.

He toyed with Hall.

He easily beat Gonzalez.


Apart from Hill, Roy beat all of those fighters much easier, and before Dariusz fought them.


Again, then add Del Valle, Johnson, Woods, Harding and Tarver, and it's no contest.


It's a real shame that we didn't see them fight each other.

Then again, would Roy have gotten credit for beating him, seeing as guys like Rico don't give him any credit for beating Ruiz?

 

No problem my friend. I hope you had a good time.

No it did not. DM was the champ. Having an alphabet collection is just that. A collection.

Source for the bolded bits please.

I have no doubts about Jones crying about it. Some would just call it excusemaking and means to avoid DM.

There's just no way that he would get anywhere near the purses he received in Germany, but again if you have a source with the offer then please post and we can take it from there.

Possible. It was never guaranteed though was it?

He was a german promotor, and why should Jones get a pass from not wanting to leave home?

Jones didn't fight them, and thats the bottom line. Could he have fought them? Of course he could. He could try to make offers better than a 90-10 split for starters.

 

You asked who today at 168-175 looks to be wanting to fight at HW right?

I answered Ward which is the perfect answer to defuse you.

 

Lol. No he didn't. He got beaten to a bloody pulp.

Why not? With extra time to hydrate then it surely is possible. Add also that he, according to the ripped fuel brigade, was only 170 lbs many years into his pro career. With time to rehydrate he could have gone a lot firther down. Mind you that 170 at a same day weighin gave little time to rehydrate, so it's a safe bet to say that 170 was close to his optimal fighting weight right?

 

Because he was a tall man, that walked around at 190 with a very low amount of body fat... he had to cut 8 lbs of muscle just to get down to LHW..

You only have this "what if" crap, I proved that at his lowest weight as a pro, he was nowhere near weighing 160..

Amateur MW was 165 by the way..

Give it up, he would not have done it.

 

If he comes in at 170 for a 175 lb fight, then tell me what weight you think is his ultimate fighting weight?

And try checking the fight night weight of Sergio BTW. He is a smallish MW by todays standards.

 

HBO stepped in on Jones' behalf to attempt to make a fight with Dariusz. They walked away basically saying he wasn't serious about fighting Jones.

 

Source?

Or are you talking about the pathetic undercard slot.

 

And why aren't you adressing all the times Jones walked away from Kohl's offers? Why the double standards?

 

BatTheMan,

I had a great time, thanks mate.

We'll have to agree to disagree on this.

This was originally posted by Joe.Boxer, and the excerpts from the article, are from the book - From fightin' to writin': More ring ramblings, by Thomas Gerbasi.

Roy kept turning down the offers, and made it clear that he didn't want to go to Germany.

But when HBO, along with Roy's advisor - Brad Jacobs tried to get in contact to discuss a fight in the U.S. Kohl wasn't interested.

That's your opinion. But I don't see why the best fighter in the world had to travel to Germany.

Maybe not, but it wouldn't have been peanuts, and he could have fought Roy afterwards in a huge fight.

Dariusz liked to portray himself as a victim who's belts were stolen, but then he turned his back on a proposal, that would have led to a huge fight to get them back.

Again, go and look at who DM fought after negotiations broke down.

He fought the likes of King, Lakatos and Hall twice.

What does that say to you?

It would have been, if both fighters had come through their bouts.

Because he was the best fighter on the planet, with all of the belts.

I agree that half of the list were deserving of a fight. But we both know that you've got carried away, and have just bandied names around.


Why would Roy have fought Iran Barkley or Darrin Van Horn, when they didn't even fight at 168 while he was there??


Why would he have fought Victor Cordorba, Ray Close and Frank Nicotra??


You've been more than harsh.


His mandatories at the weight were more deserving of a fight than those 5 guys.

 

Yes, and you've given me just ONE name.

But saying and doing are completely different things.

If what Roy did wasn't that great, then more people would have done it.

 

BatTheMan,

What an extra 10-16 pounds?

Everybody has a limit.

Spinks was 6'2, and walked around between 187-192.

Asking him to make 154-160 would have been ridiculous.

There's nothing to suggest he would have fought between 154-160 today.


It would have defied all logic.


http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&ved=0CDIQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fsi.com%2Fvault%2Farticle%2Fmagazine%2FMAG1119972%2Findex.htm&ei=mIpuUu2xDomrhQf50oCoBg&usg=AFQjCNFPctfq1ZjQgCdtSGr0ZH3VBHfLfg

 

:good

Fair enough.

Yep. Jones just wanted the belts that was handed to him due to wellknown despicable alphabet politics.

Thats probably correct. As stated in the article, DM made more cash in Germany than he could ever get by fighting on a Jones undercard.

That Jones prices himself out of a fight is hardly news.

Let me add that your link didn't back up your postulate. Just saying. :yep

On the other hand you find it perfectly reasonable that the champion of the World should leave a truckload of cash behind to fight on a Jones undercard without a guaranteed shot at Jones subsequently.

But you are of course entitled to your opinions just as queeny and failey. :hey

You dont have any numbers and there was no guaranteed shot at Jones. Why is it that you are unable to see it from DM's perspective?

And they where stolen. We should be able to agree on that. And there was no guaranteed Jones shot. We should be able to agree on that as well.

That he couldn't get Jones in the ring.

There was no guarantee.

And DM was champion of the world.

Hahaha. Nice spin. No the list was instrumental and fully objective.

Let me just say one name: PAZIENZA.