Comparison between Duran & Holyfield

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  1. frankenfrank

    frankenfrank Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Especially between 135lbs Duran & 190lbs Holyfield. It is interesting b/c they r both considered as d gr8est H2H faiters @ their respective initial w8s & b/c both achieved gr8ness above their initial w8.

    Who wins @ each criteria
    between 135lbs Duran & 190lbs Holyfield :


    quality of opposition faced (not about name value alone but considering d st8s @ which their opponents were @ by d taim dei fot dem)

    quality of opposition available

    quality of per4manc vs opposition faced


    @ den if u hev it 2 close , use their achievements above their initial w8s as a tie breiker .
     
  2. Hookie

    Hookie Affeldt... Referee, Judge, and Timekeeper Full Member

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    Holyfield went 18-0 (14) overall at CW.

    He went 6-0 (5) in CW World Title fights.

    He went 3-0 (2) vs. Hall of Famers (Dwight Qawi W15 and KO4 and Carlos DeLeon KO in the 8th round).

    His toughest fight was his first fight with Qawi, WSD15. This fight was Holyfield's 12th pro fight, Holyfield stopped Qawi in the 4th round of their rematch. The only other time Qawi was stopped was vs. George Foreman, LKOby7.

    He also beat Tyrone Booze W8, Anthony Davis KO4, Chisanda Mutti KO3, Jesse Shelby KO3, Henry Tillman KO7, Ricky Parkey KO3, and Ossie Ocasio KO11 among others.

    At CW, Holyfield was never down or even hurt.

    Duran moved up to LW after fighting as a pro for 3 years and 21 fights. He went undefeated thru these 21 fights but didn't beat any notable fighters during this time.

    At LW he beat Ken Buchanan KO13 to win the WBA LW Title. It was a tough fight and Duran got away with some dirty tactics. They should have fought again.

    In a non-title fight he was dropped and lost a clear decision to Esteban DeJesus. They didn't rematch for almost a year and a half. The rematch was another tough fight. Duran was dropped again but stopped DeJesus in the 11th round. They completed the trilogy almost 4 years later... Duran won by 12th round KO.

    He also beat Ray Lampkin, KOby14.

    He had a lot of filler throughout his career but he went 13-0 (12) in LW World Title fights and 3-1 (3) vs. Hall of Famers Buchanan and DeJesus.

    Well, I'm going with Holyfield. Duran had 7 more World Title Wins but Holyfield fought the better fighters overall. Sure... Buchanan, DeJesus 2 out of 3, and Lampkin is impressive. Buchanan gave him trouble and was the victim of many low blows and rough tactics by Duran. Again, he really deserved a rematch. DeJesus roughed Duran up, dropped him, and clearly outboxed him in their first fight. DeJesus dropped him in their second fight and gave him a tough time before being stopped. DeJesus was a little past prime in their 3rd fight.

    Qawi x2, Ocasio, Deleon, and others were very good when Holyfield fought them. Nobody gave Holyfield problems in the way that DeJesus gave Duran problems. Buchanan was tough for Duran... I'll compare this to Holyfield's first fight with Qawi. Holyfield fought Qawi again though, KO4. Duran did not fight Buchanan again.
     
  3. LittleRed

    LittleRed Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  4. Foxy 01

    Foxy 01 Boxing Junkie banned

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    Easy. One was the complete fighter, who could box, fight, brawl, or counter.

    The other is merely a fvcking Yank.

    No contest.
     
  5. frankenfrank

    frankenfrank Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    DeJesus , Marcel & Edwin Viruet on a comparative rel8ive p4p sense wer gud wins 4 Duran about ez mach ez Qawi , Tillman , Ocassio & Parkey @ CW wer 4 Holyfield.
    I watched Holyfield vs Qawi #1 3 times I believe, and Holyfield never seemed 2 win it. D result shud hev bin e draw .
    Qawi was way 2 small 4 Holyfield 2b considered as a meaningful win on a p4p sense anyway, and in their rematch was also past his prime and probably w8 dreind.
    But judging by de consensus Holyfield is d gr8est CW in a clearer way than Duran is d gr8est LW (wich iz not even exactly e consensus)
    I think that in h2h terms, Holyfield @ HW was a gr8er forc dan Duran @ WW end ebav .
    Both wer big 4 deir inishial w8s, I sink Holyfield iven biger.
    2 mi Duran lost by DQ 2 Buchanan end never bit Moore.
    Holyfield woz stopt bay Bert Cooper (ez woz Michael Moorer)

    (Despite) I always head Duran ahead of Holyfield in my p4p lists, it iz not sow obvious if comparing them 2d last detail.
     
  6. TheMikeLake

    TheMikeLake Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I've been around for a little bit now and I finally have to ask, What's your story with the writing like that? If it's an English translation problem then I sincerely apologize and applaud your efforts. If it's something else, well I guess that's why I'm asking you (or others) what's up? You provide commentary I would like to read but I can't decide if I should be patient while reading, or are you are doing this on purpose.

    Thanks.
     
  7. superman1692

    superman1692 Active Member Full Member

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    What the hell does this even mean? You have got to be one of the biggest spastics on this forum.
     
  8. Foxy 01

    Foxy 01 Boxing Junkie banned

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    Work it out yourself moron.

    One guy is considered to be one of the greatest ( if not THE greatest ) Lightweights EVER. Plus he often makes top ten lists of the greatest FIGHTERS ever.

    The other is just a Yank who went from Cruiser to Heavy and isn't considered to be the greatest at anything.

    You need more intelligence than a rocking horse before you start calling people spastics,. **** for brains.:roll::roll:
     
  9. bladerunner

    bladerunner El Intocable Full Member

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    Duran's lightweight resume is better and deeper than Holyfield's resume at CW i dont see how that is even debatable.
     
  10. superman1692

    superman1692 Active Member Full Member

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    What does being an American have anything to do with it? Go wank to pictures of the K Bros you nationalistic ****.
     
  11. Foxy 01

    Foxy 01 Boxing Junkie banned

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    Try and work it out for yourself you moronic piece of dog****. Here is a hint.

































    hype
     
  12. frankenfrank

    frankenfrank Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Maybe u explain 2 me why when someone means z he has 2 post th , when someone means e he posts a , when he means a he posts u , when he means u he posts oo , when he means a he posts o , when he means naif or nait he posts knife or knight respectively.
    Either use Frankino or German, but after "French" , Russian , Chinese and possibly but not surely Japanese, English is d nest bad thing.
    BTW, I have no problem understanding what ppl say most of d time regardless of their accent. I have even less problem understanding what they type. Just accept d trus det dis languej iz e bed 1. Truly **** language.

    I sink evry natural / common language iz **** BTW, jast det sam r wors dan aders .
    Inglish iz klowser 2 d worst dan 2d best wich r stil bed .
    Frankino >> Inglish
     
  13. frankenfrank

    frankenfrank Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Since this post of yours emphasizes on consensuses & d public opinion , haw cam det d litel fact det Holyfield's ranking @ CW iz mor seQrd dan Duran's @ LW ?
    Holyfield "isn't considered to be the greatest at" cruiserweight ?

     
  14. Foxy 01

    Foxy 01 Boxing Junkie banned

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    Now you try and work it out for yourself.

    The Cruiser division only came into being in December 79, by which time Duran having cleaned out the Lightweight division was moving up to Welter.

    Even allowing for Holy being the best ever Cruiser, so what?

    Comparing Holyfield with Duran is like comparing apples and oranges.

    In all the so called legitimate rankings Duran is always in the top 3 Lightweights ever ( a division that has been in existence for more than a hundred years ) and invariably makes the top 20 p4p fighters EVER.

    As stated Cruiserweight means fvck all, so lets see how Holyfield fares in the best ever Heavyweights, and the best ever p4p rankings?

    Nowhere near Duran I can assure you.
     
  15. Hookie

    Hookie Affeldt... Referee, Judge, and Timekeeper Full Member

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    Duran is an all-time great... but a little overrated at times.