when will ward step up

that's all you have and have ever had. froch did bute absolutely dirty, and ward schooled the hell out of froch.

 

Ward would beat Bute with one arm, face it Ward is the number 2 fighter in the world he is up there in terms of ability with Hopkins, Toney ect He has dominated top fighters like Kessler, Froch, Dawson, Abraham if he fights Kovalev or GGG he will take both to school

 

He beat all the top guys at the weight...Doesnt matter if they were undefeated or not.

 

ward beat the **** out of them he fought clever against froch n just dirty against kessler if you think that was beating the **** out of some one a think you're dad wants to stop ejaculating in your eyes

 

stfu FAILEY
fu.cking ******

 

I still think Bute would give Ward a tougher fight than any of the guys Ward has fought so far because of styles. I'd love to see that fight.

I'm not sure I see Bute getting passed Pascal though.

 

I don't think a guy who won the entire Super 6 tourney in dominant fashion would be afraid of anyone in and around his weight class.

 

I've wondered that myself after reading numerous threads where Bailey writes: "Prime undefeated fighter" -- often over and over and over again, as if repetition is the key to winning an argument and not just annoying people.

"Prime" I get, but when you combine it with the word "undefeated" it makes it sound like any fighter who suffers a loss is by default out of their prime and can never get back in and therefore becomes automatic 'leftovers'.

 

he shoulda fought bute right after supersix. but he fought alot of good fiters . the supersix proved that

 

After Rodriguez, he will have effectively cleaned out the division. What else do you want from him? Drop down to 140 and fight Garcia?

 

SOB Ward should fight Kovalev or Stevenson next, they both have called him out. Ward will only fight in his home town with his personal referee and judges. Ward was the only one in the tournament who never had to travel! Why?

 

This thread is a moronathon.

 

How is it all I have?
Ward didnt fight Bute. Froch did not Ward. Bute was considered the biggest test for Ward in that he was an undefeated world champ often looking better against common opponents. Had Ward won that he would have been rated higher I expect

Lets not get too carried away.
Ward has done well but Kessler is his best win. Ward has not beaten a top prime SMW. His best win is an unwell double vision suffering fighter who was beaten by the old previous champ at the end of his career.
Ward has yet to beat a top undefeated fighter.

The problem Ward has is that there are no real top SMWs and LHWs around at the moment.

Ward fough a very close fight with Froch who was coming off a Mdec win over old journeyman SMW G Johnson who hadnt been a SMW for years.
Abraham was on a run of 1-2 at the time and tell me what top fighters has Abraham beaten?
What is Dawsons pedigree at SMW?

Thats the point when he is being rated so highly. There arent many if any real top guys.
Kessler was his best win and he was beaten by an old past best end of career past champ years earlier and then at LHW there is Stevenson who was beaten by Boone. Hopkins was beaten also by the same old past best end of career past champ years earlier.
There arent any real top SMWs at present, its not like there is a Calzaghe, Eubank, Benn, Jones, Collins and I dont think Ward would beat any of them with the way he struggled and faded with Froch and Bika, another who was beaten years previously.

- Put it in context this way if you like -
In order to face Ward, Froch had to beat faded past best, old, boiled down journeyman G Johnson fighting at a weight he had moved up from and Froch won by Mdec.
In order to face Calzaghe, Sheika had to beat prime not past best, ok at the weight G Johnson and won a close decision.
- That gives you an idea of how the division is not as strong as a few years back, but just gets considered with marquee names due to a tournament and with American fans due to Ward being American. Wards resume is good and he has fought MOST of who was available, but all im saying is not to get too carried away until he fights a top fighter

I agree, due to Butes power, speed and mobility, I think he would do better than a slow fighter like Froch who does not always have a high workrate, though has seemed to improve that in his return with Kessler.
Still I think Froch/Ward was a close fight that Ward edged

You say this but when was Ward considered the away fighter?
Ward would no way fight Froch in the UK.
Ward is very smart with a great team around him, and entered a competition where all of the original contestants travelled abroad except for him.
Froch really in a way became the S6 legend even though he didnt win
Ward fights unwell Kessler at home, good win
Ward then fight A Green. Is that now a top major fight and win.
Ward then gets unfairly given 2 points when he didnt fight Dirrell.
Ward then fights Abraham who was on a 1-2 run and had lost his last 2 S6 fights. Thats not impressive.
Ward then fights old jaded plodder Froch and guess what? Ward was the home fighter in all of those fights.
If anything Froch deserves to be called the S6 legend.
He fights Dirrell at home
Kessler in Denmark
Abraham in Finland
Johnson in America
Ward in America.
Consider that Froch was away in his fight before Dirrell, and that was against another original S6 fighter.
So out of the 6 original S6 fighters Froch fought all of them and Johnson and was away for 5 out of those 6 fights and that takes its toll on any fighter, and with all those things against Froch and the fact that he is an old past best fighter and only lost by 2 points on 2 cards against Ward and slow old Froch was beating Ward in the last couple of rounds, then Froch fights Bute straight after who Ward didnt fight.
Thats just as impressive as Ward was, never once the away fighter and had an easier run.

Undefeated fighters have not tasted defeat and often hold a higher cant be beaten confidence attitude which seems harder to beat.
Ward hasnt beaten a top fighter that hasnt been shown that they can be beaten. With Kessler the idea on how to beat him was set by Calzaghe in that you get Kessler on the back foot. Ward didnt find that out it had been shown already, Froch was beaten by leaning on him, landing a few combinations and holding, Kessler had shown froch could be beaten.
If a fighter gets knocked out, they often dont go in full blast due to the possibility of a KO happening against them, when if they have confidence in their chin, may fight differently.
Hope that gives a reasonable understanding?

 

So has Rodriguez suddenly become a top SMW? Who has Rodriguez beaten that makes you think he is the last piece of the puzzle for Ward?
He could fight Kovalev at LHW, but I do understand SMW is his division, so he could possibly fight Froch in the UK which would be a big fight and show Ward can travel for big fights