Who gives a prime Ali nightmares?

Well Arther Abraham fought with an horrendous broken jaw for most of the fight against Miranda.
He also won the fight so it can be done.

 

You are officially an idiot.

You cannot dismiss the only evidence of the fight that shows when his jaw was indeed broken and at the same time offer no evidence that supports your claim.

Facts are Alis mouth filled with blood only during the last minute of round 12. This is supported by Cosells remarks while sitting at ringside feet from the action.

Facts are right before his mouth fills with blood Ali is hit with a very hard right hand. Ali immediately fight on the defensive the rest of the bout.

Appling an ice pack to a fighter is common practice and would not have called attention to anything being wrong. Note during the rest period after round two...the round Ali claimed the broken jaw occurred...after he said it was in round one...noone in Alis corner goes anywhere near Alis jaw. Also note that at the end of round 11 noone goes near Alis jaw...no ice pack...nothing. also note that when he spits just before round 12 begins that the water is not tainted red from blood.

All very old news thats new news for the uninformed. Guess who that is?

 

Tell you what to do **** for brains.

Crawl back under your stone with all the other maggots. You are a know nothing fool, who claims Ali was dropped with a right hand in career ( when he simply wasn't.

You have been given examples of fighters fighting on with broken jaws ( with you are too stupid to understand )

You have lied.

( Cosell did NOT say Ali's mouth was FULL of blood. He said there is blood coming from Ali's mouth )

You ******edly claim that as no one " treated " Ali's broken jaw during the fight it can only have been broken in the last round.

Again you are so fvcking stupid, you don't even realise you are stupid. A broken jaw CAN'T be treated, it has to be repaired.

I would say without fear of contradiction you are one of the most moronic people on earth, and even by American standards, that is some achievement.

 

Where is your evidence that Alis jaw was broken in round one or two...still waiting.

Treatment would be to apply something cold not completely ignoring it which is what t hey did at the end of the very round they ended up saying it occurred.

Ive shown solid evidence....where is yours?

Again...all very old news thats new news to the uninformed. Maybe its vecause t hey dont let you out of your cage in England perhaps?

 

Personal insults instead of rational argument and definitive proof .
Well now we know the calibre of you.

 

Stop fantasising , and trying to portray your pathetic fantasies as fact and evidence.

What we have here is really very simple.

At some stage in your life you have asked yourself whether or not you could carry on fighting for any length of time with a broken jaw. You obviously realised you couldn't, and it is in fact commendable that you can face your limitations.

Where you enter the realms a of arrogant imbecility is you have also obviously decided that as you are not capable of such courage NO ONE else possibly could be.

So to suit this agenda you offer as " evidence " the fact that as nobody put an ice pack to Ali's face in the Norton fight he can't possibly have had a broken jaw as early as he claims he did.

Most people try to disguise their imbecility, and arrogance. You unfortunately wear yours with pride like medals.

I dare say many years ago there fools like you who would proclaim, " No one will ever fly an airplane. If man were meant to fly, nature would have given him wings. "

Or.

" No one will ever climb that mountain, its far too dangerous. "

And all kinds of other negative ****.

Your limitations, and your worthless beliefs, are just that, yours. They don't apply to others, particularly the great and good, who DO defy the odds. In particular people like Ali who have something of a reputation for courage, if nothing else.

 

Insults don't bother me in the slightest. I am more than capable of giving as good as I get.

However I can't stand arrogance. This fool applies his own worthless levels of courage and commitment to a man of the stature of Ali.

There is plenty of antecedence in Ali's career to suggest that he the type of guy who would say to his corner " don't let this chump see that he's busted my jaw " and let the adrenaline do its work, and just bite down on his gumshield and keep fighting.

This nonsense Houdini, arrogantly thinks because he couldn't do such a thing, and doesn't personally know anyone who could then neither could Ali, or someone equally as courageous.

Instead he harps on about ice packs and describes the lack of such as " evidence " that the jaw couldn't possibly have been broken as early as the Ali camp claim.

If that is evidence then so is Humpty Dumty's claim to bricklaying.

 

Foxi started all the insults not me.

Again waiting your evidence.

 

I don't need any evidence. I am the one who is quite prepared to accept the word of Ali, and his corner.

YOU, on the other hand are saying they are liars. Therefore YOU need evidence to prove they are lying.

I think the saying is " ****, or get off the pot "

For instance I could say that the notable instance of Ali NOT taunting and talking to Norton throughout the fight ( as he did to a lot of his opponents ) could possibly be due to him biting down on his shield and therefore unable to talk very well. This would be conducive to having a broken jaw.

But that isn't " evidence " its just my opinion.

For all anyone knows, perhaps he just didn't want to fvcking talk to the guy.

 

Initially you called me an Ali nut hugger for saying Alis jaw was broken in round 12 rather than round one...or was it two?

Laughably the ONLY people why believed 40 years ago that Alis jaw was broken in round one...or was it round two....were.....the Ali nut huggers. I will count you as one from now on.

Again you show no evidence of Ali sustaining a very serious injury in round one or two. You think it quite logical to believe things at face value without any evidence to back it up? Alis camp had a real reason to tell the world his jaw was broken in round one...or was it two? He had just lost to a fighter he was supposed to beat easily.

Look at Ali sitting in his corner after round two and eleven. No attention given to a broken jaw that if true he would be in agony? He was opening and losing his mouth around his mouthpiece, talking with his corner, taking water and spitting it out...nothing to be seen that is abnormal. Only in the last minute of the last round does Cosell sitting feet from Ali see blood in his mouth. You really think it logical to believe that Alis jaw was completely fractured on one side...complete break in round one...or was it two...and he was able to survive the next 11 rounds with a 215 pound Ken Norton hitting him square on that chin again and again? Also note that Ali had no issue talking with his corner after round 11 but after round 12 Dundee tells Cosell...."Ali can't talk".

For the final time it funny you are completely unaware that this controversy occurred 40 years ago and your taking a viewpoint...nobody believed aside from Ali fanboys. You are so lost you are calling me revisionist concerning a subject already decided 40 years ago!

 

I want you to squirm and wriggle more. Surely you can do better than that. YOU are the one that has called Ali and his team liars, but so far you have come up with NOTHING that proves it.

All you have mentioned so far is some low life journalists ( slightly better than child molesters ) and a few insignificant trainers, who you claim, told you no one could fight through the pain of a broken jaw.

Simple question. Was it the trainers, or the child molesters who told you Ali. and his camp were liars?

Final time. EVERYONE KNOWS IT WAS 40 YEARS AGO.

IT IS YOUR LYING REVISIONISM THAT DOESN'T SIT RIGHT.

I find it quite funny that you can hang off Ali's nuts regarding Joe Frazier, but you are quite prepared to call him a LIAR when it suits you.

Could that be due to the fact that ( if you are as old as you claim to be ) people like Ali ( black guys ) were kept in their place in your day, but now they employ the likes of you to empty what I believe Muricans call trash cans?

You see. you keep saying that Ali, and his corner men's account was " proven " to be false 40 years ago, but that isn't strictly true is it?

All that actually happened was a bunch of white racist vermin accused them in the press of lying,. Huge difference.

 

What should just be a difference of opinion I would suggest has got a bit out of hand gentlemen.

 

Keep lying. Everyone can see through your lies and foul mouth.

Again this debate occurred 40 years ago and was settled. No one believed Alis camps claim where he first stated his jaw was broken in round one ...then it became round two. They needed an excuse as to why he lost to a fighter he was supposed to beat easily....and there it was.

I rate Ali the best of all time but your revisionism is not only wrong but alters known boxing history.

As I posted Norton's comments a few months after the fight reflect the boxing communities thoughts concerning Alis claim.....

Chicago Tribune July 21 1973

"Alis ankle was sore, his jaw was broken, His fist was sore, he did not adhere to his religion. He has lots of excuses but he has never said he lost because I beat him. At first he said I broke his jaw in round one then round two. This was proven impossible because I was pounding him on that jaw every round. I actually broke his jaw in the last round. I hit him with a right hand and he immediately became defensive. What kind of excuse is that anyway? I broke his jaw he did not do it running into a telephone pole".

Ken Norton again....

I eventually pinned Ali against the ropes and laced some ferocious shots Including the punch I believe broke his jaw. Why do I think I broke his jaw in round 12 and not the 2nd? For the plain and simple reason that if I had broken his jaw in the second round Ali would not have been able to take The constant shots to the chin I was putting on him.
Many doctors have told me that a broken jaw is so painful that your mind Takes over and you pass out from the pain. In addition Ali fought much more tentative in round 12 which he did not rounds 1 through 11. Not to put Ali down but I think the idea that Alis jaw was broken in round two was a Rumor started by the people in Alis camp. It's interesting to note that Pecheco was telling the tv crew Ali was fine during the fight.

Why would Ali camp claim round one then change it to round two? Obviously no hard blows were landed by Norton in round one so the need to change conveniently the round.

No blood until the 12th round. Ali can't talk as per Dundee a few minutes after the fights over but he is talking fine in his corner after the 11th round.

Still waiting for your evidence that Alis jaw was busted in round one....or was it round two? So far you have shown NOTHING. The reason is...there is no evidence that shows Ali sustained a broken jaw in round one or two. None.