Yes Calzaghe is clearly the better fighter h2h, he's probably the greatest smw of all time. But that's not the question, the question is who has the better record and its clearly froch.
you are answering my question with a question? and for the 2nd time running. running like Sir Joe trying to duck Froch.....
Joe C could have ended this thread in secs if he had faced RJJ or Bhop 8 years sooner Where was he after eubank and before Lacey..... No where !!!
Read on This content is protected Can someone explain how Pascal, Dirrell, Taylor, Johnson, Mack are good SMW wins? They havent done anything at the weight. Nothing. Abraham isnt a top SMW either. I thought he lost the first fight to Steiglitz and then did lose the return and how many posts were on ESB saying Steiglitz was the worst champ etc. Many on here even said Bute was a fighter that never did anything and never stepped up and not a top champ. I actually think Frochs win over Bute was excellent, but just look at how people have changed their posting to suit. Carl Froch............VS.............Joe Calzaghe Bute.....................................Kessler --- Both undefeated world champs This content is protected (Kessler beat Froch) Kessler of now........................Eubank This content is protected Abraham.................................Lacy (Lacy a proven SMW and winner of 5 SMW title fights. Abraham no pedigree at all at SMW was coming off a loss) This content is protected Dirrell....................................Mitchell (Mitchell a 2 time SMW champ who had never been clearly beaten, only lost by debateable SD in Germany to Ottke, had KOd long time SMW champ Liles, beaten a future SMW champ twice, compared to Dirrell who had done nothing at SMW) This content is protected This content is protected This content is protected .......................................Veit 2 (Veit an interim SMW world champ) Taylor had not done anything at SMW and was 1-2 coming in, in his last 3 fights This content is protected Mack........................................Mkertchyan Mack had not done anything at SMW whilst Mykertchyan won a European SMW title This content is protected Johnson...................................Sheika --- Sheika was coming in with a win over prime Johnson, Froch beat faded, boiled down Johnson, This content is protected Magee......................................Reid --- Calzaghe beat prime Reid (who was a SMW champ), and faded Reid beat prime Magee. This content is protected With that above, you can still note Brewer who was a SMW champ, Bika who is still a top 10 SMW, which shows that the era is not as strong as it used to be, Veit 1 who became a SMW champ, Manfredo when a top 10 SMW, Starie who beat undefeated Woods. Then you have the LHW wins over Hopkins and Jones A big thing is that many here do not know the division from a few years back before Lacy. People watch the SMW division because of what Calzaghe did and the S6 was to find a champ after he left the division. Im a big Froch fan and he is one of my favourite fighters, but I have watched the division from day one and his SMW resume although good isnt up there with Calzaghe, Eubank, Ottke, Kesslers yet
Yeah Bailey, thanks for reminding us - if only Nathan Cleverly had taken the Calzaghe path, then you would still be cutting and paste 1000 failed word posts about him too. some good came out of his KOvaClev fight then.
SO do you think Roy Jones Jr is currently more established than KO4Cleverly? You should really avoid making a post referring to Clev, it highlights your failures.
I didn't see this post the other 24 times it was posted in this thread, thanks for reposting it bailey. No one can take your opinion seriously because you are ridiculously biased towards calzaghe.
The most interesting part is that he thinks Buchanan was ahead on points against Duran before the stoppage atsch
if calzaghe woke up one day with Frochs resume, he would be wondering just HOW who on earth he had tough fights on it when he specifically said he didn't want tough fights (joes words, not mine).
Any realist would recognise that Dirrell beat Froch too, which would indeed make him have a few losses.