Ward vs a prime Mario Veit

Brahmer was stripped of the title. he didn't lose it to anyone.

i'm making the point of how good Veit was by highlighting his win over Brahmer. atsch

pull the other one! everything you do is to **** on Joe and his opponents. you're like an insane mad man.

 

stripped means he doesn't have it. Its NOT IN HIS POSSESSION. ITS GONE. GONE, LOST, ABSENT. WHichever word, hes NOT champion after the briefest of reigns.

yeah he beat a shithead who cant hold onto a minor title that he was given, not won, and runs from clev of all people. Wow great win.

then why don't you quote the words JOE CALZAGHE that are derogatory I have written on THIS thread, till you can, you ought to shut up on that point. All I said is that Veit was a typical weak defence of his, that's no lie, and in response to you and Bailey. The man made a LOT of weak defences as well as some good ones.

 

no one knows who mario veit is. stupid thread

 

Veit was 45 and whatever because he was fighting nobody world class. Braehmer and Brewer? Those are his best wins? I'm not saying he was bad, but he wasn't world class. Braehmer has been a fringe contender forever, lots of guys like that snag titles. He's never been a serious player on the world stage, nor for the top spots at LHW. He's been doing the wbo circle jerk for years. Again, they aren't bad fighters, but they aren't world class fighters either. Brewer was a solid veteran, but not really relevant anymore. He was also just an American opponent anyway for guys like that. Anyway, is that good enough for you to deem a guy world class?

 

I don't think Veit was a bad fighter. But he wasn't world class. He doesn't have many good wins, and the good ones aren't any better than guys on his own level.

I don't know what to tell you if that's good enough to be world class to you. It isn't to me.

The division wasn't anywhere near as good as it is now. SMW was a stopover point between MW and LHW. Now it is a destination point. Good fighters go there and stay there. Alot has to do with the success Calzaghe had there, the S6 and the continued presence of world class fighters who actually stay in the division to do business.

Bika wasn't top 10 back then because he hadn't beaten anybody. But he has stepped up since, and despite losing more often than not on the top level, he has proven to be a tough customer and a difficult guy to beat.

Kessler was, and continues to be a world class fighter.

 

Tell me who at SMW has Bika, who is a world champ today, beaten who was better than undefeated Braehmer or Brewer who was still beating a top 10 opponent not long before Veit stopped him.
In fact in the top 10 tell me how you think Oousthuizen, Groves, DeGale, Abraham at SMW, Steiglitz, Rodriguez etc have resumes better than Veit.
Bika was top 10 then and had drawn with Beyer a world champ. Who do you think Bika has beaten since that is so good?
You say SMW was a stop over between MW & LHW possibly based on the fact Hopkins jumped the tougher division but dont note how Toney was at SMW longer than he was MW or LHW and Nunn was at SMW longer than he was MW or LHW and Jones was at SMW longer than he was MW. Dawson even tried dropping to SMW and Jones was apparently interested at dropping back to SMW when LHW champ. Ward at present has a better fight at LHW than he has with any at SMW but doesnt feel it is a stop over whilst SMW is at one of arguably its weakest era

 

Great post. Pwning minions at one fell swoop.:deal

 

Reading comments and poll I came in to conclusion this is close fight. Not a tossup, but really really close fight.:think

 

Thanks champ :good

Interesting MaliBua. Do you think Veits jab and outside work would cause Ward all kinds of problems, or do you think Wards physical strength, holding and inside work would cause Veit problems. I guess you are thinking whoever can get their strengths working effectively takes it?

 

I don't believe this board at times

 

bailey you truely are one of a kind character here at esb. Dont ever let these calzaghe bashers depress you. Keep your head up like you have done so far. And this is coming from a calzaghe hater. :good:

 

Thanks MaliBua.
What was it that you saw as Veits effective weapon. Was it that ramrod jab?