Why Has Scotland Never Had a Heavyweight?

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  1. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Yes he did, but in such a small quantity it isn't relevant.Which is my point.
     
  2. thistle1

    thistle1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    yes Wales did have a few Top HWs, so the other places lost out on big men generally to social economic factors on health and stature as well as football and rural trade & farming - in other words these folk never ventured into the cities to carve out an existence...

    this is still mostly true for Wales bar the few big boys they've produced, I suppose a better question would be "How many Top HWs came from the industrialised North period. I can only think of the two London's and Wood**** and Shaw.
     
  3. Mendoza

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    Only Six? Ok.

    Alexis Arguello
    Ricardo Mayorga
    Eduarto Mojica ( 60-70's )
    Luis Perez ( current )
    Rosendo Alvarez ( current )
    Eddie Gazo ( 70's and 80's )
     
  4. Foxy 01

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    As someone said it is a country of two cities, and the poverty in those cities produced smaller people due to lack of decent food.

    I know that the big cops you see in Glasgow are allegedly the descendants of the big highlanders from places like Muck, and Mull that were brought into the city way back when to control the violence. These people being farmers had a far healthier diet,and developed accordingly.
     
  5. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    How about the poverty in Ireland and Wales?
     
  6. Turner72

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    Can add British Champs Johnny Williams and David Pearce to that list too :bbb
     
  7. thistle1

    thistle1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    a handful of Bigmen does not the reality change. :thumbsup
     
  8. Foxy 01

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    Where? Outside of Dublin and Cardiff?

    Again I don't think they had such densely populated cities as Scotland's two, in comparison with the rural areas.

    Wales was always about coal, so it stands to reason all the pits were not in Cardiff, and Swansea, and I think Ireland is even today a nation of farm land and farmers.

    That said I have neither the time or inclination to check whether the population of Ireland, and Wales was as concentrated in cities on a similar ratio to Scotland.

    Tbh I really don't care, but the old man is a Jock, and he is well into his 90's, and never failed to remind us about the conditions he was brought up in.
     
  9. mcvey

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    I'd forgotten both:oops:
     
  10. mcvey

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    We now have 8 heavyweights from Wales ,and none from Scotland.:think
     
  11. choklab

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    Working class kids don't grow to their full potential in country's like Scotland. The better off ones did. Historically it is remarkable how many British heavyweights were said to be the sons of butchers or Farmers by explanation for their size. Boxing is a working class sport throughout the world it stands to reason that there will be less heavyweights in country's where the working class are smaller than the rest of the population.
     
  12. mcvey

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    This premise has to be proved before it can be accepted.
    You would expect Scotland to have produced ONE heavyweight surely?
     
  13. thistle1

    thistle1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    they produced at least 3 that were noted and rated fighters... McGoldrick, Abrew and Shaw, none after that till Millarvie I think and now this new kid, I don't even know his name.

    Choklab has hit it though, those are excepted and noted facts and circumstances for peoples living in urban squalor especially in recorded hardtimes of rife poverty.
     
  14. mattdonnellon

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    In Nicaragua??
     
  15. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    I've never heard of Goldrick or Abrew ,and Shaw was not really anything.
    Rife povery produced the greatest concentration of boxers we have yet seen. Prosperity is the enemy of boxing, not poverty.