Here is what will happen if this fight goes ahead: - People will make threads about how Geale will expose GGG and shatter his glass jaw. - Golovkin will destroy Geale and a one sided drubbing. - The same people who made the threads will claim Geale was a bum and GGG has never beaten anyone and Broner's 'World title' he won off Vincete Rodriguez was more legit. :deal
Cool opinion you have. I could point out actual opponents Geale has fought and beaten that are far above their accomplishment level, whereas you would point to your opinion of their skills. Whatever works for you.
I'm sure you'll still argue that Broner's robbery wins and beat shot to **** pillow fisted journeymen with and slow Mexican plodders with no boxing skills and countless paper titles mean he got a better resume than GGG trail of destruction over legit contenders.
Wait... So you are seriously trying to say that Macklin, Ishida, Stevens, Nunez, etc. are actually better opponents than Ponce de Leon, Malignaggi, DeMarco, Escobedo, etc? OK buddy... Whatever you say. They both have similarly weak competition given the way they are generally spoken of by fans and media alike. I suppose if you're going to have meaningless paper titles, might as well get multiple of them as opposed to being shrink wrapped a "WBA regular" one and defending that same one for years. And then have fans claim you're a legit titlist or that it isn't a negative while someone else who got theirs the same way somehow is a disgrace. Broner and Golovkin have amazingly comparable careers at this point.
Legit contenders, eh? Ishida, 0-1 at MW Rosado, never contended at MW Stevens, 3-0 at MW coming off career defining win over... Saul Roman. I give you Macklin and I'll spot you Proksa. But this only gets worse for your argument if I continue down the resume until we hit his solid early career win over Bouadhla.
Comparable but GGG is undefeated while Broner is definatley not. You can't add the like of Ponce onto Broner's resume when everyman and his dog saw him defeat Broner. GGG, I am also convinced is trying to get the best fights of people who are willing to fight him- Broner is not. Let's look at the names you mentioned for the Broner fight: 1. De Leon. I'm sure even a Broner apologist like you can admit that should've been a Ponce win. 2. Malgnaggi. A man who won his paper title of someone who bought it (Senchenko), came into the fight after being toyed with my shot fighter punching bag Pablo Cesar Cano. Also a gift. 3. DeMarco. Rating too highly and a Mario Rodriguez style champion, extremely limited and the one thing a never understood about his high ranking, why does a win over Jorge Linares- who had proved little at Lightweight (or full stop for that matter) catapult you straight to number 1? 4. Escobedo. Starved himself to come down in weight to a weight Broner didn't even bother making then bragged about it as if an achievement. OK, now look at the names we mentioned for Golovkin..... 1. Macklin. A year earlier gave pound for pound rated and undisputed champion Sergio Martinez a fight, got robbed in Germany against Felix Strum, coming off a first round KO of Joachim Alcine (himself coming of a win over prospect David Lemieux)....oh wait, we have already stubbled across someone who is clearly better than anyone Broner has ever fought.....and he didn't require a controversial result to get it done in empathic fashion.
Neither G or Broner have a very good resume given their standings and hype, imo. Competition being fairly equal, if maybe a slight edge to Broner at this point (though honestly I dont really rate Malignaggi. I respect him and hes a hell of an overachiever, but in terms of a scalp at this stage of his career I dont rate him. I fully expect an old Judah to dominate him more then Broner didl) But Ponce, Demarco, ect.... Broners got some names on his resume. But given that G rarely sees a round where hes not completely dominating his opponent every which way, makes me want to rate his resume and career thus far, higher. But maybe thats not to be taken into account when assessing a resume. It would when we assess the fighters themselves (which is why I have G >>>> Broner), so if not taking into account how they win, but only who they have fought, they are fairly equal to me at this point for the most part, though the slight edge may indeed go to Broner. That would switch to G if he manages to get Murray to accept a fight with him, which team Murray doesnt seem too keen on doing. Just imo
If you're going to play the boxrec warrior, at least step your game up and get it right. Ishida had fought several times at middleweight before the Kirkland fight, going to back to 2000, 2003. He had never lost at middleweight until he fought Pirog. Still, that fight was only interesting because he had never been stopped.
1. Yes I feel Ponce beat Broner. I've told you this many times in our discussions over the last couple weeks regarding Broner, who you always seem to bring up randomly. While I scored it for Ponce, I still recognize Broner for what he is factually; undefeated. I don't try to edit Pacquiao's record to include what everyone and their dog saw as a loss to Marquez in their third fight. I don't claim Ali had one more defeat than he did all because I and the majority believe Norton beat him twice rather than once... The sooner you realize this, the sooner you can begin to be taken seriously. 2. Macklin may have been the greater victory due to the end result. But he is not as good of an opponent as Ponce, DeMarco, OR Paulie. Any of the 3, including Ponce fighting above his natural weight, including DeMarco being overrated in my opinion at that time, and including Paulie being a declining former junior welter. 3. Not speaking of results, which I haven't been touching on, Broner has faced the tougher top competition than Golovkin. Period. 4. That opinion will only be furthered when Broner fights Maidana, who would be Golovkins' best opponent faced easily, in 3 weeks time.
Then you are engaging in intellectual dishonesty, counting losses as wins. There is no excuse for it.
I think Murray rates GGG extremely highly and probably thinks he'd lose. He was in Boxnation's studio the day of the GGG-Macklin fight and asked what he'd do in a fight with GGG and his reply was something along the lines of 'I'd take a baseball bat into the ring with me'. He also was asked in Boxing News magazine who he think would win in Golovkin and Mayweather and conclusively thinks Golovkin wins. You can call it ducking (but he's not the only top middleweight doing it).