was julio cesar chavez sr the most overrated fighter ever?

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  1. Hatesrats

    Hatesrats "I'm NOT Suprised..." Full Member

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    Whitaker Vs. Chavez is a perfect example of a "Superfight" being dragged along way too long until it finnaly happens and disappoints.
    (135lbs "Pea" Vs. 140lbs "JCC" would have been optimal)

    Would it have made a difference??
    We will never know.
     
  2. zetsui

    zetsui Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Any idiot who thinks Chavez is overrated needs to show me as much a ****ing swelling under his eye in his prime.
     
  3. fists of fury

    fists of fury Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Pea fought a great fight and you can't take anything away from him. He took Julio out of his game, got him frustrated and outboxed him.

    As Haterats says though, it was a superfight too long in the making and at least one division too high. I think both guys were a bit past it by this point. Maybe Chavez just a little more so.
     
  4. iceman71

    iceman71 WBC SILVER Champion Full Member

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    neither was whitaker. his prime weight was 135-140
     
  5. juice20

    juice20 Active Member Full Member

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    37 title fights...27 defences over a couple weight classes. He was in more world title fights than most guys have total career fights. Not over rated. Burrito stand owners and homeless guys are not fighting for world titles. He's guilty of taking lots of keep busy fights against bums and on the way up as well. But being in 37 title fights is ridiculous, and the level of comp fighting for titles is in no way bumland.
     
  6. TJ Max

    TJ Max Boxing Addict Full Member

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    People say Chavez was losing the boxing match against Meldrick Taylor, and I'll give them that, but Chavez was winning the fight.

    Taylor was gettin MESSED UP. Watch the fight. All the hard shots/counters were landed by Chavez.

    Who would you have rather been in that fight?
     
  7. ElCyclon

    ElCyclon Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    That was standard procedure for the old-school boxers. Lot of "bums" on the records of such greats as Robinson, Armstrong, Pep, etc.
     
  8. Goyourownway

    Goyourownway Insanity enthusiast Full Member

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    You don't even know what fundamentals are. And the irony of your generic, clichéd analysis of Chavez as a fighter is that he didn't even fight in that manner against Lockridge, so I don't believe for a second that you've even seen that fight.
     
  9. cereal monotony

    cereal monotony Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    so you tell me i don't know what i'm talking about...so i ask you to give us your expert opinion and you comeback and ask me my opinion after you told me i don't know what i'm talking about. why don't you just come right out and admit you're a cowardly fulla shyt?
     
  10. sugarkills

    sugarkills Active Member Full Member

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    Chavez Sr. is NOT overrated at all!

    Chavez Jr., is another story.
     
  11. cereal monotony

    cereal monotony Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    dude, i saw the lockridge fight ...and chavez lost. thing is, i never considered rocky lockridge to be anymore than a pretty good fighter in his prime when he was losing to guys like pedroza and juan laporte. lockridge was past his prime when he fought chavez. so was roger mayweather when he fought chavez in the rematch. chavez was way easy to hit. he lacked good balance too. threw a lotta punches and left himself open when he was out of position, so it didn't take a real good fighter to counter him easily. if roger had put a lil more pressure on chavez he woulda knocked chavez out in the rematch. but he lacked conditioning which was his downfall. that's why taylor dominated chavez by such a huge margin. a guy like floyd jr woulda had a field day cleaning chavez clock.
     
  12. cereal monotony

    cereal monotony Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    watch the chavez-juan laporte fight and y'all will see what i'm talking about when i say chavez was very overrated.
     
  13. Ike-Man

    Ike-Man Active Member Full Member

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    If Lockridge beat Chavez then the Whitaker draw was just. :hi:
     
  14. Mod-Mania

    Mod-Mania Boxing Addict Full Member

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    JCC
    Good Wins
    1) Mario Azabache Martinez (TKO … Great win against a top fighter and upcoming contender at that time, both young promises collided and Chavez stopped Azabache in eight, after that fight Azabache lost a controversial decision over roger Mayweather followed by a very close fight split decision defeat against Azumah nelson 3 and a half years later…

    2) Ruben Castillo (TKO 6) … Another top fighter at that time who had been koed by Alexis Arguello in the 11th but before that round it was a very close fight he gave a really tough fight to Arguello, later he was defeated by the great Salvador Sanchez in a 15th close UD, after that he went match Chavez who had a great performace knocking him out in the 6th, a very good win by Chavez, Castillo was never the same after this ko…

    3) Roger Mayweather (TKO 2) … A good fighter upcoming contender at that time was totally brutalized by the young Chavez, great performance…

    4) Jeff Bumpus (TD 5) … Bumpus was coming from being defeated by Vinny Pazienza and Haugen both in UD defeats in the same year, but he was still young and got a chance against the top fighter Chavez and he lost in a technical decision, I think he was thrown to the sharks back to back to back… an ok victory for Chavez…

    5) Rocky Lodridge (MD 12) … Another top fighter who faces the undefeated Chavez, rocky was coming from a very tough defeat against Wilfredo Gomez, a very closed fight and he did also a good performance against Chavez but not enough, very good win for Chavez…

    6) Juan Laporte (UD 12) … Another experienced good fighter, he never really beat the top fighters like Sal Sanchez, Pedroza, or Wilfredo Gomez but he did beat Ruben Castillo, he was a good fighter so it is a good win…

    7) Edwin Rosario(TKO11)…No need an explanation for this one, a masterful performance against one of the top p4p fighters at that time, a great win…

    Rafael Limon(TKO7)…Even Limon was past his best still a nice win on his resume, Limon went life and death in a trilogy with Bobby Chacon before fighting JCC still a good win…

    9) Jose Luis Ramirez(TD11)..A great win for JCC, Ramirez was coming from an impressive win over Pernell Whitaker , Ramirez had divided a series of 2 fights with Edwin Rosario, a very good win for JCC…

    10) Roger Mayweather(RTD10) …Again a great performance against a good boxer for his 2nd time, very good W…

    11) Meldrick Taylor(TKO12)..No need explanation for this one, a great undefeated fighter enters to the 12th winning the fight to get koed in the last seconds of the fight, and NO JCC had not lost the first 11 rounds of this fight, he was losing entering the 12th but by no means the first 11 rounds, that is BS, Taylor had taken a ton of punishment before entering the 12th you can know this by looking at all the damage taylor was found after the fight..best fight of the 1990s..great win..

    12) Hector Camacho(UD12)..Camacho was past his best but JCC as well and Julio totally dominated him, it was a great performance by him…

    13) Greg Haugen(TKO5)..Haugen was past his best but JCC too and it was a total demolition in front of over 100,000 fans, a very good win…

    14) Terrence Ali(TKO6)..A good fighter, the way JCC dominated him was impressive, good win…

    15) Meldrick Taylor(TKO…Second time he beats him, a very good win even Meldrick was past his best…

    16) Tony Lopez(TKO10)..One of the best wins for JCC, Lopez had beaten before Lockridge x2, John John Molina x2, Jorge Paez, Joey Gamache and Greg Haugen and JCC dominated him, a very good win for JCC..

    17) Giovanni Parisi(UD12)…A good fighter in his prime, Julio totally dominated him, good win…

    1 David Kamau(UD12)…An undefeated ok fighter , an ok win..

    19) Joey Gamache(TKO…A good fighter who had been in a fight with tony lopez which lost by tko in the 11th while he was winning the fight entering to the 11th, a very good performance by JCC…:deal
     
  15. Young Terror

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    Not even Close.

    The most overrated fighter of All Time is Roy Jones.