muhammad Ali vs Rocky Marciano 15 rounds

No, you just didn't understand the post and still don't. Frankly, you just seem determined to argue with me, and its growing tiresome. I don't mind arguing boxing if its a point I was actually trying to make.

 

No ,I corrected the innacuracies that came from your key board.

Cooper was 6.1.5", not 6'1" Marciano was 5.10.5" not 5'11"
Physically they could not be more dissimilar.

 

Marciano is listed at 5'11.5 in his tale of the tape, boxrec has him at 5'11, some claim 5'10.5, some claim shorter. Cooper has been described as high as 6'3 and low as 6.0 and everything between. Who knows, both weighed 185 and are probably within 2 inches of each other in height. And more physically similar to each other than ****ing Sonny Liston, the original point.

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This is what I take issue with.

"They are the same weight with only 1-2 inches difference in height. If that is not similar physically, I don't know what is"

Your words, and totally incorrect.


Three inches in height difference ,one tall and slender, the other short and stocky. Therefore the statement you made is bull****.
What is getting tiresome is you refusing to ackowledge the absurdity of the comparison.

I 'm not looking to argue, but I can read and disseminate a statement, and decide whether it is correct or not.
In this case it is patently not.

 

The original point I was trying to make gentleman was Ali's mentality when fighting Liston.
I realise Liston was a different style of fighter from Jones and Cooper but Ali was a different animal against Liston than he was the fight before against Cooper.
Maybe I'm saying that if Ali had showed the discipline of the Liston fight against Jones and Cooper then the perceived style problems they set wouldn't have been as apparant.

 

This is all mute.Jones and Cooper get brought up in these discussions because they roughly weighed the same as Marciano and pressured Clay. The whole point is that of Ali's 60s opponents, these are the closet we are going to get to any kind of analogy to the Rock. People don't just pull their names out of a hat in these types of threads.

Cooper was clearly taller than Marciano, officially "5'11"-5'11.5" to "6'1"-"6'2". So who knows the actual dispcrepancy? It doesn't seem huge. I dont' care to argue it. If you feel that makes my choice of words "bull****" or "incorrect", you do what you got to do.

edit-rewatching the fight, as I remebered Cooper is doing lots of crouching and ducking against Ali anyway, and his best moments come while he's in the same range Marciano would be operating at.

 

To claim that Cooper and Marciano were stylistically similar is a nonsense.

Oh and by the way on the other thread where Rocky is interviewed on Aussie TV he himself says his wingspan was 67", so I don't know where the 69" comes from.

 

The complete lack of reading comphrension in this thread is nonsense.

If anyone claimed Marciano and Cooper were clones, they wouldn't be giving Marciano much of a chance. When Cooper is getting brought up it is only in reference to his sporadic success in ducking under Ali's jab and timing him with a short left hook, and the fact that he weighed around the same as The Rock yet still managed to stun Ali a few times and score a knockdown in such fashion.

Arguing trivial things like half inches and glove stance is fruitlesss, nobody is under the impression Cooper and Marciano were mirror images. That would be nonsense, but it is also nonsense to dismiss Cooper's bright spots as being completely insignificant to a possible Marciano match up, afterall its a 185 lb man ducking under the jab and hurting Ali with short hooks. And back to the origianl point, in a Marciano thread people will talk about this more than a 218 lb Liston chasing Ali around the ring with a lumbersome jab.

As for his wingspan its certainly been listed at 68" before, and probably "69" too. McVey is probably referencing such as a "Tale of the Tape" listing. No big deal, all of these measurements seem to vary 1-3 inches depending on the fight.

 

I disagree, but i understand what you are saying. This thread just ran off the rails despite my attempts at a carefully worded defense of other people's analogies. Analogies just seem to blow up on this forum as people take them too literally.

 

Thats because he was fighting Berbrick and not Holmes.

 

Or perhaps it was the infamous thyroid pills he took for the Holmes fight.

Still, my point remains that calling out the first Cooper and the Jones fight to pick apart Ali's weaknesses, when this is supposed to be a prime for prime affair, is a bit ridiculous.

 

How about the far more cruder Chuvalo crowding Ali and beating the **** out of his body. Ali won most of the rounds but he still took heavy punishment and still looks awfully vulnerable to high volume pressure, despite being in what you claim to be his prime. This seems to be a constant.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wa4-2--rAsw[/url]


And can you provide examples of alternative fights people should be drawing conclusions from in regards to this match up? What exactly does Ali dominating Folley, Big Cat, and Terrell tell us about how he is going to approach Marciano?

 

Now you are simply letting your ego over rule your brain. I don't care about any listings, or references. When I watch a man say my wingspan is 67" I tend to think he knows about his own body.

You stated that Cooper and Rocky were stylistically similar. They simply were not.

Even in the Clay fight Cooper does not duck under Clay's jab, and he doesn't come up from a crouch to land his hooks. You just seem to WANT to believe he does to suit your own agenda.

 

-My ego? I'm defending McVey's statement.

-News to me. Show me where I stated those words.

Explain what Cooper does at 7:22 and 7:28 of this video?

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Frn3rTj5DOY[/url]

If you don't respond with anything but an apology and admittance of being wrong, I will not acknowledge any of your future posts.

 

Vincente Rondon who was Ko'd by Bennie Briscoe,Bob Foster and many others others also went the full 10 with Earnie (who could hit but not really a finisher)...Marciano was a relentless stamina fighter with Rhythm breaking power in either hand different guy