Ward vs a prime Mario Veit

Except all the guys that beat him atsch

 

:good

 

why do some idiots here think that different organisations hold the same prestige for some weight divisions ...but not other weight divisions..what a ludicrous suggestion.

If people hadn't heard of the wbo, then they hadn't heard of it fullstop - its ridiculous to suggest that they hadn't heard of the wbo HW title but HAD heard of the wbo SMW title. Haha!

who would value the wbo smw title, but then WOULDNT value the wbo hmw title, simly because the smw division had just been invented - what a stupid failey argument.

they are not recognising it because its marked a wbo title - this is mutually exclusive from (i.e. completely irrelelvant to) the weight divisions in that organisation.


wow this argument failed years ago, who thehell keeps bringing it up.

 

if a new organisation like a 'WBU' introduced a lightcruiserweight division today, and the WBC introduced one the same day....which belt is going to attract the more competition, the more money, the more prestige?

if your name is failey then the 'WBU title' is going to be just as attractive to Andre Ward and Bernard Hopkins as it is an unranked bum.

Everyone else knows that Hopkins and Ward and anyone with any serious contention would go for the WBC's title, and the WBU title will end up in the hands of an unranked bum, fighting in front of tiny crowds for peanuts in a ghost town.

 

Why do you fail to note that the best fights at that time had been with the WBO?
Or that the then most accomplished SMW was WBO champ
Or that there had been unifications with that title.
The fighter gave it the prestige, as explained to you before, it is often the fighter who makes the title not the title making the fighter.
I guess that doesnt suit your failed agenda

This is hearsay and pointless. Another failed argument because at the time in question the most competitive big money fights happened in the WBO being a major part

 

it wrks both ways and you know it.

how is an exact simulacrum of the start of the smw division, suddenly a failed argument for you?
you want it to be failed, clearly, because you cant explain it.

you cant explain why if the smw division came into being today, then nobody serious would want the wbu title compared to the relative prestige of the wbc's smw title.

fair enough that you cant, because it means six years of your repetitive posts have failed if you admitted it was true, and that's a big fall for you to take.

 

how is me ALWAYS saying that it works both ways, to you, 'backpedalling'? which part of ALWAYS holding a view equates to backpedalling in your book -explain exactly how that is, and be specific. try an actual logical argument rather than failed one plus a smilie.

it is of course ironic that you labelled me backpedaaling when I clearly didn't, but you for the first time did by YOU admitting that your argument is not watertight. why label someone else a backpedaller when you are doing the backpedalling? how badly do you want to set yourself up to lose this argument?

nobody who was anyone wanted the wbo title then, the same as if it emerged now like a wbu title, like when the ibo titles emerged.
why would you pretend the wbo was different just because your hero had that title?

 

Why does it matter?

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Why would you not produce the source of these claims?

It was over for Brewer when Veit beat him. He was no longer even a contender, or top 10. He was padding.

Guys often manage to get into the top 10. Managing that isn't an event in itself, but may serve as a barometer for how they rank among their contemporaries. And to me it speaks volumes that Veit didn't manage it where it counted, when it would have been easiest to do so, due to the division's weak state.

Beating a guy who eventually goes on to become a fringe contender, or even top 10, by using the same blueprint doesn't make either guy world class. The only difference is that Braehmer managed to snag the weak title, while Veit ran into Calzaghe and got blitzed twice. But the blueprint is the same.....fight weak comp for as long as it takes to get a shot. Notice these guys never venture outside the game plan, nor fight highly ranked comp until they get their shot.

Rodriguez would bust Mario Veit up. I don't care about "accomplished". Veit's resume is weak, and that's on the back of it being a full career. Rodriguez isn't a finished product.

The real point is that Ward wouldn't(and shouldn't) be plucking guys like that out of the lower ranks because he needed to make a defense, years and years into his title reign.

Highly debatable is right.

Now that the book is written, published and distributed on AA, Veit might be able keep him shelled up with activity and manage a decision. Other than that, I don't see him beating any of the other guys.

 

Nobody was clamoring for the wbo back then, excpet for their ranked fighters. Yes, belts come and go for fighters, and from time to time some big names were involved, but it simply wasn't as sought after as the other titles. It just wasn't as recognized as the other sanctioning bodies.
Now, it is more or less on equal footing (for better or for worse).

Like sanctioning bodies, not all magazines are created equal, nor carry the same industry integrity. Sanctioning body rankings, being utterly self serving and self reinforcing, are basically useless. And in the case of the wbo, incompetent at times. I never, ever look at alphabet rankings. Magazines, and other organizations, while often biased, at least have a compilation of fighters, regardless of alphabet affiliation.

Either way, I only care about what the guys were ranked, ranked by a respected entity, at the time when they were fought.