Ward is BORING

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by JacK Rauber, Nov 17, 2013.


  1. Cletis VanDamme

    Cletis VanDamme Boxing Addict Full Member

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    In which dimension ? Go back to your padded cell.
     
  2. markq

    markq Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    WTF *******, this is about Ward!
     
  3. WinstonBarry

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    Exciting if you like wrestling.
     
  4. JacK Rauber

    JacK Rauber Unbourboned by what has been Full Member

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    The best fighters are not only able but are also willing to exchange with their opponents. Sugar Ray Robinson was one of boxing's truly elite fighters. He fought everyone, lost a few, but is viewed as one of the most talented ever. Why? Because he came to fight. Lennox Lewis brought it, Holmes brought, Ali brought it, Hearns brought it, Haglar brought it. I have always pulled for the Fraziers, as opposed to the Alis, the Hearns rather than the Leonards, Julio Cesar Chavez over Meldrick Taylor.

    This is about fighting styles, what one's preferences are. Interesting, though, if you are a defender of the slick fighter, Rigondeaux has had a hard time getting on HBO again despite beating Donaire. Yet Donaire just fought again. I would actually much rather see Rigondeaux again before Ward.
     
  5. Lartize

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    The reason people watch Ward, Wlad, and Floyd is because they are the best, period.

    If these come forward action fighters could beat them.. we could watch them instead. The fact of the matter is though... Ward, Wlad, and Floyd all make everyone they fight look like novices in their with them.

    When you watch a brawling who is winning, it is great... but deep down.. you know when he fights someone GOOD.. it is not going to work. Were as when you watch Ward, Wlad, and Floyd.. you know nothing the other guy is going to do.. is going to work.
     
  6. WinstonBarry

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    Audience and ticket sales for Ward / Wlad & Mayweather are not comparable in the slightest. Ward is simply not a popular fighter.
     
  7. richie leon

    richie leon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The thing about these fighters that 'bring it', is that they mostly only do that because they don't have a choice. They don't have the option of being succesful with the kind of style that Ward, Mayweather, Hopkins, Whitaker etc. have been succesful with because they JUST DON'T HAVE THE SKILLSET.

    Trust me, if all of these 'fan-favourites' and 'honest warriors' had any chance of being succesful at the world championship level without having to take so many damn punches, 99% percent of them would do it in a heartbeat.

    You don't have to take my word for that, the evidence is out there. Gatti tried to box, move and jab more later in his career. MA Barrera, same story. I could think of more examples if i had the time and the interest.

    As for Ward, he landed a LOT af clean, head-swivellingly hard punches. Too bad he was in there with a guy who looked 2 weightclasses bigger on fight night. In his previous fight, he was aggressive, let his hands go and KO'd a world-class opponent.

    Much of the same is true for Mayweather. In the immediate aftermath of his fights with, say, Mosley, Ortiz, Cotto... nobody was calling him boring! Boxing fans seem to have worse memory than James Toney must have at this point. And let's not forget that Ortiz was 14 pounds heavier in fight night, Canelo 15, Cotto and De la Hoya probably something similar...

    Hey at the end of the day, to each his own. I'm a big fan of Ward and i love watching him fight. Who ever doesn't, well, don't.
     
  8. Lartize

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    The other two are considerable more established, at much later parts of their careers. Ward will get there. Also, some divisions are hotter then other's with ticket sales/audience views... so don't forget to factor that into your grand mathematical conclusion.
     
  9. dinovelvet

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    Wlad doesn't belong in the sentance. Ward and Floyd fight high ranked, danger men who are often bigger than them. They get out skilled and out boxed by large.
    Wlad fouls and gropes bums who who can't box back.
     
  10. blackbolt396

    blackbolt396 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Donaire is so overrated it's criminal, but I see what you are saying about styles and yes I will always take a technical boxer over blood and guts.
     
  11. UptownUppercut

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    Boring? I thought it was exciting.
     
  12. Lartize

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    Floyd and Ward don't foul? I seem to remember clearly mayweather hitting people off breaks, and in the nuts... Which I am actually cool with. Try everything to win the fight.

    They are all three leagues above everyone else in their Divsion
     
  13. blackbolt396

    blackbolt396 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Good post.
     
  14. JacK Rauber

    JacK Rauber Unbourboned by what has been Full Member

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    That's a real blanket statement. Certainly, it applies to some but not the elites. I agree that Provodnikov, for example, would probably not win against the elite fighters, BUT he always has a slugger's chance.

    There are many elite fighters that preferred to be "honest warriors," who would have it no other way, not because they had to but because they could and still take out their opponent. Julio Cesar Chavez came at you all the time, Dwight Braxton Qawi, Marciano, Frazier, Hearns, etc.

    Right now we happen to have Mayweather at the top. He is a slick. Most people can't stand him but he is successful so many boxing fans seem to believe he is the paragon of boxing, he epitomizes the "real" boxer. You have all kinds of boxing styles that belong to historically elite fighters. No one style is better than another and they all can be successful.
     
  15. critix

    critix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    i love watching ward... it's like watching an art... complete masterclass and dominance of the opponent... you have to know and appreciate boxing to like how ward fights... stick to watching bar fights and ufc if you want to see a couple of unskilled bums throwing their arms around