The "All Things Mayweather/Pacquiao" Express!!!!!!

Could you breakdown those percentages for those of us less in the know.

 

Both of them are cowards for not fighting each other when it would have really meant something. Bernard Hopkins, Carl Froch or Andre Ward should have won the award.

Man the talent pool of this generation is just weak, outside of Hopkins, Froch, Mayweather, Ward & Pacquiao.

 

I will leave you *****s with something Stephen Edwards wrote in his mailbag quite a while back.
Assuming you guys can read more than 3 sentences without losing attention.
It goes a little more in depth about Mannys resume even though he is a outspoken Floyd Fan himself.

You seem to be a big Manny Pacquiao fan and I can’t understand why. I do believe he is a special puncher and his foot speed is incredible, so I get the physical part. But his accomplishments are watered down. Most of his opponents are coming off of losses. Most of his fights are at catchweights. Everything seems to be made to order for him. Explain your infatuation with him?

Bread’s Response: You sound so stupid. Someone told you or you read somewhere that Pacquiao has fought a bunch of catchweight fights so you repeat it. You also must’ve been told that Pacquiao has fought a bunch of guys coming off of losses. So you repeat that too. Because I don’t repeat a bunch of lies that have been told on this man I’m infatuated with him. You are a complete idiot my friend. Only an idiot would repeat a lie as the truth and try to put someone down with it.

Let me explain something to you. I am a Manny fan. The reason being is because of how hard he had it. The first time I saw Manny fight was over 10 years ago and I saw a supreme talent. In about 2009 I saw all of his accomplishments come into question and I researched a few things. This may surprise you.

In my research I found out that Pacquiao is the only 3 division champion in the history of boxing that was the underdog in his first 3 title tries. You may not realize the implications of that statement but let me spell it out for you. In boxing terms that is unheard of. Manny Pacquaio was being FED. Think about this, Adrien Broner just won his 3rd title. He was of similar age to Manny for each of his titles. He was the overwhelming favorite in ALL of his title tries.

Manny fought Chatchai Sasakul who was 33-1 when Manny fought him. Manny was just 19 years old. Sasakul was the deal. So good in fact he gave Yuri Arbachakov his only career loss. Some consider Arbachakov the BEST flyweight of the 90’s. That’s how good he was. The fight between Manny and Sasakul is on youtube. You can see Manny was over his head, he was just a gun and he persevered and scored a dramatic come from behind ko.

In his next title try he fought he fought Lehlo Ledwaba. Dude was a monster and considered to be the best fighter at 122. Manny was like a 6 to 1 underdog. He destroyed him. Manny was just 22 when he did that.

Then in his next title try he fights the 3rd best p4p fighter in the world in Marco Antonio Barerra and he beats him to a pulp. Now Manny is a 3 division champion at 24 years old and he was the underdog in all of his title tries. And he beat the best fighter in the division to win each of those titles.

Then Manny takes on Juan Manuel Marquez to unify in his very next fight. The promoters didn’t give him any stay busy show case fights…….. He gets a draw. Then he engages in his trilogy with Eric Morales. Morales was coming off of a 12 round majority decision loss in the fight of the year to Barrera. Pacquiao haters act like Morales was kod in 1 round and then fought Pacquiao. There was nothing wrong with that fight. Did I add it was at 130, Pacquiao was yet moving up again. Morales has just had big HBO fights with Marcos Maidana and Danny Garcia recently but Pac gets flack for fighting him at 130lbs 8 years ago. Unbelievable.

He settles things with Morales, fights Barrera in a rematch and then goes for his 4th title vs an all time great in Marquez. So in 4 title tries the one time he is the favorite is against the best fighter he has faced. Next he fights David Diaz in his 5th title try a fight in which Pacquiao got criticized. But Diaz was33-1 and he had just beat Morales. It was Pacquiao’s first fight at 135. Next he gets the Oscar call.

I am going to ask you why would Oscar want to make Manny look good. Manny made himself look good by fighting the perfect fight against a man that was 3 divisions bigger and 6 inches taller. He was being fed again, he just didn’t cooperate.

Next he goes for his 6th title try against Ricky Hatton. He almost kills Hatton. So let’s keep track in 6 title tries he was the underdog 3x. He also fought the best fighter in the division 5 out of 6 times, the only time he didn’t was against David Diaz. Next he fights Miguel Cotto at a catchweight of 145lbs and destroys him. That’s his 7th title and the 6th time he fought the best guy in the division for the title. Remember Floyd was just coming out of retirement at this time.

Despite what people try to say. Oscar, Hatton and Cotto were all coming off of wins not losses. Oscar had just beat Steve Forbes, Hatton had just beat Paulie Malignaggi. In fact he stopped him in 2008 when Adrien Broner couldn’t last month. And Cotto had just beat Michael Jennings and Joshua Clottey. So up until that point only Morales was coming off of a loss and he’s the only fighter to beat Manny in that decade, go figure smart guy.

Next up we have Joshua Clottey who was coming off of a split decision loss. Some people say he beat Cotto but if those same people don’t like Pacman they say Clottey was coming off of a loss. Mike Alvarado will be fighting Ruslan Provodnikov coming off of one of those same losses. There is nothing wrong with that.

Then Pac fights Margarito at a stupid catchweight but I don’t believe it benefited him. Margarito was never more than a BIG welter to me, so they let him come in at 150 and he rehydrated up to 165. He took away Pac’s prime in that fight. Then Pac picked on a shot Shane Mosley. I have no problem admitting that. Next he fights undefeated Tim Bradley sandwiched by two Marquez fights. Now he’s fighting Brandon Rios coming off of a razor close loss in his comeback fight after being violently kod.

What favors has this man been done? Seriously. I’m telling you straight up there is no way I would let my fighters fight the kind of killers that Pacquiao has, multiple times, giving up that kind of experience,weight and height. The one guy who gave him trouble, they made him fight 4x…. He was robbed against Bradley….. He gave up so much size to Margarito that he laid in bed for 3 days AFTER the fight.I can go on and on.

Tell me another modern fighter that has had to go through that. And I only named the BIG fights and title wins. People like to repeat lies and nonsense about this guy. But the truth is he has had it harder than any fighter in recent history. You guys talk about catchweights but not so much anymore. I wonder why. I won’t bring up Floyd because I am actually a big fan of his also. Yes guys, you can be a Pacman and Moneyman fan at the same time. But Floyd hasn’t had it nearly as rough as PAcquiao, especially coming up.

But let’s get back to catchweights. Pacquiao asked for 2 catchweights, Cotto and Margarito. Marquez asked for two also. Both times 144 against Pacquiao and Mayweather and no one speaks a word about it. Cotto who was supposedly opposed to catchweights, asked for one against Margarito. Somebody hit up Margarito’s trainer on twitter and he will tell you the deal. They settled at an asinine 153 but because Margarito was a cheater nobody cared.

Paul Williams fought Sergio Martinez at 157 and no one spoke a word about it. The great Bernard Hopkins fought Kelly Pavlik and Winky Wright at 170lbs and we don’t talk about it. Now the best fighter in the world is fighting Saul Alvarez at 152lbs but yet Manny PAcquiao is the Catchweight King. I only named recent big fights. Go figure again…. #TRUTH

I am a fan of Manny’s but I am more of a TRUTH ADVOCATE. The guy gets a bad rap but no one can give me a valid reason why. What special tailor made fighters that Manny has benefited from? He has fought the for the most part the best available guys, of all colors, styles, height and weights. I’m curious to know about this special matchmaking. Before Manny and Floyd had their public feud nobody talked bad about him. All I’m saying is have your own mind. Manny Pacquiao is the most accomplished fighter of this generation and out of all of the elite fighters of the past 15 years he has had by far the roughest road up.

 

Excellent post. Pacquiao has gone into many more fights as the underdog, and some of them were against guys that Floyd had already beaten, but you get far more credit for the fights that you weren't "supposed" to win. Part of this has to do with the fact that Pacquiao jumped weight quicker and another part of it is the fact that Mayweather is clearly the superior boxer. If Pacquiao had fought and beaten Canelo, for example, I'm sure it would have been counted by most as a much better win than Mayweather gets credit for.

 

Yes he has for sure, Barrera, Morales, JMM, Cotto, DLH, Bradley ( he beat him and got robbed) Pacquiao ranks higher IMO in history then Floyd i mean nobody has ever won titles in 8 weights and won't for a long time, fighters have won them in 5 and will again how long will it be before someone wins them in 8 as Pacquiao has done, also Manny has the more memorable fights i mean he has been in some classic fights has floyd? i mean Floyd is amazing but will anyone be talking about those great fights he was in in 50 years, unlikely Manny ranks higher he may be past it now but he does and always will be ahead of Floyd in my eyes

 

Damn. Doesn't change the fact that Pac and Floyd should have fought 4 or 5 years ago.

 

get real man, i dont need to accept someone opinion, i know the FACTS.

morales was coming off a war against mab, lose, then a 12 round drubbing from rahim. and i seem to remember that fight being at 135 so he had to come back down after 2 hard fights. he needed rest not another tough fight, shockingly one in which he won. everyone was worried about morales before the fight thinking he was gonna get hurt and blasted out, only to beat up paq.

the diaz fight was a joke, he truly wasnt even in the top 3 fighters at 135 yet team paq took the cherry fight for the title.

the oscar hatton and marg fight were fkn jokes and mean nothing, along with clottey and mosley.
oscar was closer to death than fighting shape. hatton was just brutally KO's then almost KO'd in his next fight. he did beat the power shooting pauly so that means he was back to his best. ya ya ya.. and he had to move back down, stupid move.

marg was never a top fighter, never ever ever. slow, no skills, coming off a brutal beating and a year + layoff. ohh ya he was ready. even cotto, by miles his best win was coming off a brutal tough long fight in taking a TKO, then loses his father trainer. goes into the paq fight at 145 when he was at the point he had to move up but money talk. i give paq credit for that win, his very very best win and best performance by miles. even without a trainer and losing his father, cotto knows how to fight but paq was just too much for him..

dude paq is a great because he has had many good wars wins and losses, but his resume is totally inflated.

if he fought every money opponent at the exact time and condition the opponents were in, paq would had been done years ago with more losses and not close to the bs 8 title holder. not champion, title holder..

if paq was/is half what some of you think he should destroy rios but i see this as a very dangerous fight that paq could very well lose..

 

For sure, but anytime people try to discredit Pacs resume i think that post is just about the perfect reply possible.
The guy is a very knowledgeble scribe and a trainer himself.

 

Ok drunk ass Larry lol

 

Froch wtf Rigo is miles better then him, also Wlad, JMM, Martinez, Donaire, Cotto, are all great great fighters, i really cannot understand when people say boxing is weaker then before, i mean Heavyweights aside, the talent pool at 140- 147 also at Super Bantam are better then ever, also some quality at 168 Martinezz and GGG at 160 boxing in terms of talent is as good as any other era IMO certain weight classes are weak but some are loaded with amazing talent

 

Just rewatched pac marquez 3.

Pacquiao wins comfortably 8-4...marquez just gives away 11&12

marquez fought the easy fight..just backed up and looked to counter within an exchange. Landed the two biggest punches of the fight but that was because he forced pacman to make THE WHOLE DAMN FIGHT.

Mexicans always wanna say marquez wins fights if he finishes on his feet...pacquiao/bradley.

 

only the HW diviiion is truly looked at as weak due 100% the klits are too big and too good, fact.. which makes a lot of fans that really dont know the sport and really dont know exactly what their seeing in the ring think its weak in all divisions. most people dont know what thay truly are seeing in the ring..

every other division is better. dude GGG is a never seen before animal, floyd is on a level all by himself in the history.. then we have rig, ward, sm, canelo, paq, and now fringe guys like cotto, lara and froch, just way too many to go through now.
no other era has had so many elite level fighters out there.

we have fighters in every division that would not only excel on any era some would dominate like they do now..

 

I've been here for almost ten years and i'm struggling to come up with a poster dumber than you, do us all a favor log off and throw yourself of a bridge, dont even bother with some stupid lame ass reply just go and do what i told you, with your intelligence or should i say lack of it, it will take a few tries but hopefully you'll get it right.

 

DelaHoya vs. Mayweather Jr. was also STAGED.

Oscar promotes Floyd and makes tens of millions of $$$$$ from Floyd's fights, and Oscar needs Floyd to win.

Floyd cant beat a good strong fighter like Canelo is.
Floyd ducked Canelo for the last 2 years, and it took Oscar convincing him that he wont lose the fight cause Oscar will have the fight FIXED.

Floyd didnt make canelo look stupid.
Canelo just reluctantly "threw" the fight at Oscar's request and allowed Floyd to win.

Boxing corruption.

 

is this a real thread ?