In order of greatness: Michael Dokes, Tony Tucker, Mike Weaver,

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Dokes
    Weaver
    Tucker


    How you got them?
     
  2. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    In terms of talent , id have Dokes last.
     
  3. fists of fury

    fists of fury Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Toughie...

    Dokes was unfortunate to run into Holyfield when he did; he still put up a hell of a fight though, several years past his best, but was gifted the title by Curtis against Weaver. Was fortunate (in my mind) to get a draw in the return match.

    A decrepit Mike Weaver gave a young Lewis one or two uncomfortable moments, gave Larry Holmes hell, beat a prime Coetzee in his back yard, and knocked out the heavily-fancied Carl Williams. Drew with Dokes in their return match and many thought he won that fight, and beat prospect Du Plooy in his back yard as well.

    ...Tucker lost to Tyson & Lewis in gallant efforts, but they were pretty good efforts. Beat Douglas which in hindsight was a pretty decent scalp.

    In terms of legacy, I think I'd have it Weaver, Tucker, Dokes.

    In terms of overall ability, I think it'd be Tucker, Weaver, Dokes.
     
  4. DrMo

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    Dokes
    Weaver
    Tucker

    Young Dokes looks the best of the lot of film & was the most talented imo
     
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  5. McGrain

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    I'm liking that post FOF.

    Mo, you think Dokes is greater than the other two yeah? Or is that a talent list?
     
  6. SILVER SKULL 66

    SILVER SKULL 66 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I am assuming you would have to go on achievement NOT TALENT, talent doesn't mean squat if you don't utilize it..

    Dokes would be first, he tkod Weaver, then fought a draw with him, in my opinion Dokes
    fought and beat better fighters than the other 2.
    Weaver, lost a lot of fights and will always be known as the guy who was whipped by Holmes, and was the forgotten guy in the 80's behind Holmes, and Cooney..

    Tucker last, probaly the most overrated heavyweight of the 80's will be remembered as the guy who got busted up and stopped by creampuff Bruce Seldon, the same guy who took a dive against Tyson.
     
  7. McGrain

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    Another v decent post SS66 - if you honour Weaver-Dokes hard to see it the other way.
     
  8. Anubis

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    Good response.

    For me, Weaver clearly made the most of his ability, a key reason why I appreciate him so much. [I also considered him to be a classy, low key guy, who handled himself with much dignity after Dokes I & II, as well as Bonecrusher I. I admire him for coming back from first round stoppages against each to take both to the final bell. To me, that was like Patterson pushing Liston to the limit in a third bout.]

    Concerning ability, what convinced me to agree that Dokes should be last was my review of Dokes-Cobb II. I don't buy the SD TD 4 in favor of Mike. Tex swept all three completed rounds of their rematch as I saw it before the accidental butt. Dokes, even bulked up to a muscular 227, and with his hand speed advantage as before, still had no capacity to stand up to Randy, who was substantially outworking Mike with his slower hands. Over the 12 round distance, this one was going to be a swamping for Cobb, regardless of the official decision.

    Tucker did have the most ability, at 6'5" 225, and I'll always wonder what he might have done against Tyson with two good hands. [He certainly made it clear in no uncertain terms how much he'd like to have a second chance to try, and if his right hand was indeed broken going in, then it's grotesque that he was forced to compete or be stripped just 64 days after winning the IBF Title. That SRL-Hagler was for 12 rounds turned me off to boxing. That Tyson-Tucker was shortened at the last moment from the championship distance to 12 rounds erased any possibility I'd ever return to fanfare. Sometime in the 1990s was the final time I viewed a boxing broadcast as it aired live, probably one of Duran's late career stoppages. I've surfed right on past live boxing telecasts without a moment's hesitation since the new millennium began.] TNT had a solid chin, not getting dropped by anybody until his middle 30s.

    Legacy wise, it's easily Hercules for me, the only man who emerged superior in four WBA Title bouts during the reign of Holmes. [Yes, I'm including Dokes II in that assessment.]
     
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  9. mcvey

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    Doesn't apply, none were great.
    For ability.
    1.Dokes
    2.Tucker
    3.Weaver
     
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  10. fists of fury

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  11. he grant

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    None were great ..
     
  12. dinovelvet

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    Dokes would of had early knockout losess to Tyson and Lewis and Tucker would of beaten him.
    The best version of Dokes would of been ko'd by Lewis never mind a past prime Dokes like Tucker was when he took Lewis the distance.
    Ability wise Tucker>Dokes.
     
  13. The Professor

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    In terms of career accomplishment:

    1. Weaver
    2. Tucker
    3. Dokes
     
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  14. DrMo

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    They were in order of greatness

    Dokes dropped off so fast after winning his title its easy to overlook how quickly he rose. Then, after a mountain of coke he came back & produced one of the great HW fights vs Holyfield.

    He didn't have as many great/very good performances as Weaver, he certainly didn't have Tucker's size & durability, but imo Dokes was the greatest of the three.

    If I was ranking the whole lost generation I'd have Dokes at #2 behind Witherspoon
     
  15. luke

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    Not ability wise it was size wise dokes was a short short armed heavy tucker was a tall long armed