The "All Things Mayweather/Pacquiao" Express!!!!!!

Keep debating people, we can only rest this arguement once they step in the ring together. :deal

 

:deal

Pacquiao still a dangerous fighter for Mayweather, A southpaw who is strong, has speed, good chin, throws punches in weird angles.

I say he has a chance.

 

PAC speed and accuracy punches kills Floyd Mayweather Jr.

 

there is nothing to break. floyd's defense doesnt work on southpaws.

how many times it is going to be pointed out, philly shell or shoulder (if youre orthodox) wont work on southpaws.

do you need this to be explained?

case in point.

watch vs. alvarez then watch vs. guerrero.

this is mayweather fights against orthodox:

- jab to the body, jab to the head (scoring jabs, btw).
- the opponent reacts by jabbing too or jab and straight.
- mayweather parries the jab with his right, shoulder roll the power right while twisting his body clockwise and come up with the right counter. this is in one motion pretty efficient.
- mayweather does the same thing over and over, and some variations but he is so quick and has long range it is hard to anticipate it.


against southpaw:

- weak jabs that land on opponent's lead hand range to gauge range.
- lead right and clinch or duck below waist.
- occassionally jab to the body or head (seldom) or a 1 2 and clinch or duck.
- he does this over and over as well. his quickness (against slow oppnents especially) and length allows him to get off first.
- his shoulder roll doesnt work on southpaw because the power straight left doesnt pass through his left shoulder. he wont risk parrying it with his right.
- because his shoulder roll doesnt work as well against southpaw, he cant generate offense off his defense which means he needs to get off first.
- his offense becomes his best defense.


regarding the need to have a good jab to beat mayweather.
-this is partially right. what it means, is, from an orthodox stance, the jab is the left lead hand and does not pass through mayweather's shoulder.
-with both dela hoya and cotto being converted ortho, they both have stiff jabs, with which mayweather had to pay extra attention to those jabs and could not just parry with the right hand. this takes mayweather out of his rhytymh of countering, thats why, they say, he is troubled with good jabs (from an orthodoz stance.)
-against a southpaw, the left hand is more dangerous and powerful. if he is troubled by a snappy, stiff jab, then a straight left from a southpaw stance, would be twice or more trouble.

also, regarding pac not having a good jab. pac is southpaw that fights 99pct of his opponents who are normal stance. his jab tangles with the opponent's lead hand, so he is inclined to lead with his left than throw a jab.

what is the best punch against a southpaw? lead right.
but if youre a southpaw, what is th e best punch against ortho? the answer is obvious.

compare mayweather jab connection rate against canelo (~50pct) and guerrero (measly <20pct). you get the point.
if 99pct of mayweather's oppoents are southpaws, his jab will disappear too.


now having established that mayweather, the defensive master tactician, whose defense will not work against southpaws, which makes him become offensive minded to offset this, against pacquaio who is a southpaw, the battle then is down to:

mayweather offense vs. pacquiao offense.

who has the advantage in this scenario?

 

I think Manny Pacquiao disfigured Floyd Mayweather Jr's. pretty face after the fight! Thats what he is afraid of.

 

Pac against a patient counter puncher...hmmmm wonder what happen the last time he faced one of those...Floyds length, speed, accuracy, defense and intelligence will give Manny the blues...Floyd does everything Jmm does only much better, combine that with his defense, speed and precision, easy money...

 

PBF is more accurate than Pac and has more useful speed in the ring than Pac does.:deal

 

FLOYD MAYWEATHER SR:

''Pacquiao has to fight Canelo Alvarez or Robert Guerrero to fight my son, he better whoop one of them to fight my son''

Skip to: 4:00

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uvnwoATeTw

 

floyd's counter wont work.

marquez has to hang his chin to land his own. he trades with pac as much as he counters him because he has the chin to do it.

how many straight left marquez ate to land his own right? is mayweather prepared to do the same? does he have the same power to stop pac on his track?

the answer is obvious. too risky.

it will come down to offense vs. offense. the same thing that happened in the pac vs. marquez. marquez did not pac with defense. he purposely bulk to be able to take pac's punches and strong enought to land his own.

it was marquez offense that won him the fight, and his chin.

 

So.... Pacquiao has to fight Canelo Alvarez or Robert Guerrero for the Mayweather-Pacquiao fight to happen? atsch

But Pacquiao will win against Robert Guerrero. :deal
and if Pacquiao has to fight Canelo has to be @ 152?

 

guerrero are you freaking kidding me? LOL

 

accurate against whom?

mayweather's chin will be tested against pac because he cant hide it with his shoulder.

mayweather doesnt want to find out if he can pass.

 

Accurate against pretty much everyone he's fought.
Also he doesn't get hit with the same punch over and over other than the occasional good jab. Pac gets hit with the same right hand over and over. Hell a slow and limited guy like Rios was tagging him early in the fight. PBF's chin is fine never been stopped or dropped in 45 pro fights. Pac is the one who got KTFO 3 times not PBF.

 

Rios >>>>> Guerrero

 

atsch Floyd has dominated every south paw he has faced .. And how many times must it be pointed out to you un-educated boxing fans !? "The shoulder roll is not the only tool used in Floyd defensive arsenal!!!" He just known for the should roll because he has mastered it so well . Because uses both hand extremely well he has proven that his lead left hook is able to dominate south paw as well as his lead right .. Also any south paw that has even had a minimum of successes with floyd all have a reach beyond 67"