The "All Things Mayweather/Pacquiao" Express!!!!!!

you just said a bunch of hog wash without answering my question. How does Manny deal with Floyd's offense? Now you say Floyd's chin will be his downfall and yet a guy who doesn't punch as accurate and no more powerful than Floyd put Manny to sleep.

Manny is shorter, and has the reach disadvantage against a guy who will use that against him. Floyd does jab Southpaws and he will jab Manny high and low.

You have to be in range to land combinations and Zab Judah got beat 9 rounds to 3 and Floyd has only lost a total of 5 to 6 rounds against 7 or maybe 8 Southpaws. He doesn't struggle with them at all and the fact that you spit that myth out of your mouth shows you don't know what you're talking about. The facts are he has dominated these Southpaws. Dominated Zab, hurt and dropped Corley after Corley stunned him in the same round, dominated Guerrero, Ortiz and all the rest of them.

Manny has never seen speed like Floyd and Floyd can also throw in that timing as well. For the last time the shoulder roll will work on MANNY on the inside bc the Southpaw angle will be taking away bc both guys will be more squared up and Manny doesn't have an inside game to trouble Floyd. Floyd's defense is more than just the high guard and shoulder roll. Its his reflexes, foot work, ability to smother shots, and tie up.

Once again you want to focus on Floyd's defense rather than focus on Manny's defense and how he will be able to handle Floyd's offense. Your answer to that is Manny's offense will be his defense. LMAO. Manny couldn't even handle JMM offense in the 3rd fight and was frustrated. So frustrated that he couldn't even raise his arms at the end and thought he lost.

 

As soon as the fight gets signed, people will abandon their belief that Manny that can beat Floyd and accuse Floyd of cherypicking, a part prime Pacquaio.

 

Why not? He listened to him the first time around.

Guess who started the steroid accusations? Floyd Sr. Guess who goes on to start demanding external drug tests for the first time in his career? Floyd Jr.

Floyd Jr will definitely take the advise of his father and trainer, just as Pac would probably take advise from Roach on opponents.

 

C'mon now, if Roach came out in an interview right now saying he will never have Pac fight Floyd. Floyd has to fight Bradley and Rios first. I fear for Pacquiaos health if he fights Floyd. Floyd needs to take a drug test, how the **** does he have so much speed.

Just imagine that actually were the case, you telling me you wont be all over that?

 

paq should take on the ghost in april. he CAN win that one, he step in same building with canelo he end up in coma. paq v ghost is a damn good fight, both can win but paq be the big fav

 

i jst said, he deals with them the same way he deals with other ortho: try to get off first and put them on the defensive or feint and counter.
my take is, pac can take floyd's punches, so he wont be as worried taking taking them as floyd will be taking his.

floyd doesnt have the same chin that marquez has.

and marquez does have a stronger right because he commits to his punches since he knows his chin will hold up if he makes mistakes.

 

Fact is manny is a 135 fighter at best

Talk about 154 is insane, he couldn't even get that big without a month of McDonald's

Manny should forget about floyd and come down to 140 which has some exciting fights left then retire

 

Dude you are tripping. Floyd doesn't have the same chin Marquez has? Floyd has a better chin than Marquez and how the hell can you JMM has a stronger right hand?

How do you know Pac can take Floyd's punches? Floyd will be landing on Manny clean and flush in every single round. You are talking about one of the most accurate fighters in the history of the sport. JMM who has a great offense was held to his lowest punch connect % ever by Floyd and Manny will be no different. Floyd's punch will get there faster and he has the foot speed, foot work and reflexes to stay out of danger. :deal

JMM been put on his ass more times than a hoe and you say he has a better chin that Floyd. atsch

 

Then thank you for proving our point: that lesser (read: SLOWER) fighters in Mosley were able to connect, how much more Pac?
















Nitwit.:hey

 

Guerrero says he thrashed Manny in sparring.

 

C'mon man. I'd put money on Floyd if this fight came off, but this is ridiculous. Guerrero?!?

What the hell did Khan, Guerrero, or Alvarez do to get their shot that makes Manny have to jump through all these hoops? All this does is make it look like Manny's still in their heads. :rofl

 

marquez is ortho thats out the window.

floyd doesnt punch as hard bec he doesnt commit to his punches. last time he commited to them, ortiz got back up smiling.

floyd is hardwired to protect his chin before anything else.

when you attack him he shells up. that tells me he has suspect chin.

watch floyd fight southpaws, tell me if he is not vulnerable to straight left.

forget about his fights against orthodox. if pac is ortho, we wont have this discussion now. i would say he already fought pac, instead of marquez.

floyd and his matchmakers knew more about style matchups than you or i. judging how this fight dragged on for years now tells me something is up.

24hrs before the pac-hatton fight, he hurriedly signed marquez up.

if he waited, he could rematch hatton or beat pac and end all the hype. he becomes concensus p4p no.1, fighter of the decade, certified box office right there.

for all the marbles and glory, 24hrs was what separated mayweather from immortality, instead he blinked. he knew what is coming. pac will beat hatton and he would be cornered, forced to fight pac.

now, he wont even fight a diluted version of pac.

vada i guess.

 

OK, you're one of the better Floyd posters here so I will actually take time to break it down to you, in MY OPINION, why I think Pac troubles Floyd.

The shoulder roll is Floyd primary form of defense, yes reflexes, footwork all come into play, however the shoulder roll is a defensive stance, not an offensive stance. Watch the Andre Ward segment in the ring, he says that too. From a shoulder roll stance, you can capitalise your counterpunching prowess. Floyd's style is built around that stance, the leaning back pull counter, the ducking, the right hand to right cheek to defend against that left hook, that elbow raised for control etc.

Tyson's primary stance was his peakaboo, now in his prime, against his opponents, I'm damm sure Tyson would have still ktfo his opponents in whatever stance he chose, orthodox or even philly shell. That's because Tyson still possessed all the offensive qualities such as speed, power, reaction, combinations, head movement etc. However, if Tysons overall effectiveness in peakaboo was 100/100, in philly shell it might be 90/100, however as he outclassed his opponents so much, his overall effectiveness could have dropped to 50% and he would still KTFO mofo's.

Such is the case for Floyd, he's so far above the likes of Guerrero's, he could go peakaboo and still outbox the **** out of him, but there's no denying that he is at his best, in the shoulder roll stance, and his overall effectiveness is reduced out of it. Hence the word "primary".

When I responded to what Cotto would trouble Floyd with, I pictured their fight in my head and visualised their styles clashing together. I saw a long stiff jab from Cotto that could push May back, I saw when he got inside he could throw those combinations and Floyd will block and slip most of it but some could land. The fact that he mixed it up accurately, body/head makes it more difficult. I also saw his overall strength being a factor, to get inside in his methodical stalking style. Pretty much that is how it played out, but obviously Floyd adapted and was in control for the most part. However, make no mistake, those qualities troubled Floyd.

Now what can I see with Pacquiao-Floyd in the ring? So many unanswered questions:

1) How will Floyd deal with Pac's footspeed? He has never dealt with that footspeed before, usually he can control the range but with Pac able to move laterally, in and out so well, this will create angles. Pac has never been unable to create angles. Tim Bradley sprained his ankle BECAUSE Pacquiao was creating too much angles, twisting and turning. Floyd may or may not control the range, he may have faster feet, but that is unknown and you can't claim for a fact that Floyd will be able to control the distance. Not when Pac has been able to come in and out as he pleases with ALL of his opponents, including JMM.

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2) Floyd counters after his opponent finishes. He's not a JMM warrior type, you hit me, I hit back. Floyd likes to make opponents miss, and then hit back when they fire their load. The problem with that is, Pac literally throws 10 punch combinations at lightning speed, he's gonna have to wait a long time and hope to hell he dodges all of them before he counters back. A way to stop Pac's assault is to either: a)whether the storm b)interrupt him mid combo but its risky, its what JMM and Morales did, c)jump out the way.

I think Floyd will definitely use C, he will get out of the way but how effective will that be for Floyds own offense? We will see.

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Look at the angle he's throw them from. I understand thats Rios, but when was the last time you saw a fighter fight like that. Most fighters have to set their feet to throw their combinations, Pac can literally throw a combination floating around the ring cos he throws them with such awkwardness. Its not the typical 1-2-3 combo, its just find the target and throw from whatever angle. He throws 45 degrees shot coming from left, then right etc and as you can see from that GIF, Pac wasn't even gonna stop throwing until Rios had to throw a haymaker out there to back Pac off.

Now how is that different to what Floyd is used to? Floyd has his pad routines to build muscle memory, you roger throw 1-2-3(jab,right, hook) and Floyd for example will slip, duck, twist and block hook with right hand to cheek. This is all muscle memory to him, so when an opponent throws these same old 1-2-3 combos for example in a fight, Floyd reacts to that instantly and dodge and block all of them. His muscle memory has not been trained to slip and dodge a combo that is just completely out of the book.

3) Pac's feints. Bradley said he came into the fight fittest he's ever in, yet was gassed by 4th round. Pac keeps opponents very tense. The fact that Pac has a dangerous left hand makes his feints that much more troublesome because a feint is a threat. If Floyd overreacts, Pac may be able to time him, if Floyd deals with the feints well enough, then I guess he deals with it but we dont know. Floyd hasn't fought anyone who feints nearly as well as Pac.

4) Speed and power from the southpaw stance. I don't think this needs too much explanation. It's been a long time since Floyd fought someone with real speed, we dont know how he will deal with that speed. Yes Floyd is fast, but being fast and being able to deal with your own speed are 2 different things. We know Mosley was the fastest guy he's seen recently, and Mosley tagged him good in that 2nd round. I think Pac is a lot faster the Mosley, and he telegraphs it less too. Pac will touch Floyd up, I guarantee it.

I could go on, but this has become too long already. Honestly, I've analysed the fight in my head from top to bottom and I see the fight unfolding in different ways, but to assume that Pac is no threat to Floyd is laughable. Floyd knows Pac is threat, that's a fact. If Floyd didn't think he was more of a threat than a Canelo or Guerrero, he would have beaten up this midget for 100+ mil payday and a legend on his resume already, and stuck it to Bob Arum beating up his cash cow.

And you can lists all the reasons why Floyd is a stylistic nightmare for Pac but it would be a waste of time. I know he is a stylistic nightmare and I already know all the reasons why. I just find it funny how you can dismiss the argument for the other side so easily.

Stylistically, Frazier was a nightmare for Ali...however, stylistically, Ali was also a nightmare for Frazier. Bare that in mind, its not one or the other, sometimes both can just make for big problems for each other.

 

You have to be a stupid muthafukka to listen to anything Sr. says, Money doesn't listen to **** this guy says especially when it concerns his career. ..Sr also didn't think Floyd should fight Canelo, but obviously he did...the bottom line is Bob and Floyd are adamant about not doing business, Bob will not be able to dictate fight negotiations nor will he get the amount of money he wants as he would if they both were top rank fighters...

Pac is a fukkin superstar who can't speak for himself nor can he decide who he fights if Jmm were willing Bob would have Pacs dumb ass fight him in 20 rematches...for there to even be rumblings of Manny be in debt is proof enough to know he's getting fukked with no grease...

If Manny promoted himself or were a free agent this fight would have been made...and The Ghost is just good an opponent as Margarito, Rios, Clottey and the ghost of Del la Hoya and I would rather see Pac fight Robert rather than a 5th fight with Marquez any day...so tired of seeing that replay...

 

paq v money would be WAY bigger if paq came in on someting resembling a winning streak, sadly he hasnt had one since like 2009/2010 but if he fought the ghost and stopped him or even whooped him that would make the fight way bigge and paq.r.

and that would remove the gpb/tr hbo/sho BS. cause it all the same foe floyd, ghost.

we all know without a doubt arum wouldnt ever let paq anywhere near canelo, total destruction og paq en route to ko/tko that ruins the money fight.

team money has ALL the leverage and back to back legit WINS for paq would go a long long way.

paq takes ghost in april and money fighst any stay busy fight in may and they fight sept 2014. be fkn great.

IF everyone was truly in this for the sport and really gave a **** about the fabs they would work it out somehow to have co-main event, same card for mone and paq in april or ay and if both win they fight in sept. BUT those greedy mthaphukkas wouldnt ever do something so great for the fans.

paq v ghost is a great fight, 1000000x better then rios, and IF paq wins he on to money.