whos faster pacquiao or mayweather

if judah has some pop in those punches, would be totally different story.

yeah agree to disagree.

i hope floyd agrees to vada, then we can put this to rest.

edit: and umm, floyd isnt looking to counter pac. that would be marquez bec he has the chin to risk countering a straight left.

floyd gets offensive against southpaws bec he doesnt want to risk countering a straight left that goes directly to his face.

so, pac having problems with counterpunchers argument is out the window.

 

Lmao. If Judah had some pop he would have still lost dude. If Manny wouldn't have pulled out the fight the first time this debate would have already been over.

You hope Floyd agrees to VADA when it took Manny 4 yrs to do random blood and urine testing with anyone, while Floyd and his opponents and other fighters have done it.

 

floyd's mission is to clean the sport, why would he not accept another form of cleanign the sport? that's hypocritical.

unless of course there is more to it than meets the eye, like allowing the use of trt, what do you think?

 

if judah had some pop, floyd wouldnt be walking him down.

he would be sticking and moving and looking to counter. which we know doesnt work well against southpaws. he would be on the defensive and judah walking him down. completely the opposite.

 

So now, counter punching doesnt work against southpaws.

 

it doesnt as well as it does when you are fighting the same stance. unless you have granite chin and can risk taking a straight left to the face.

at least this is what i observed.

my observations are on the mayweather fights.

we are talking about mayweather vs pac, who is a southpaw.

 

Floyd has countered every opponent he has faced including all the Southpaws. What have you been watching. Hell recently he was countering the **** out of Guerrero. He countered Judah, Ortiz, Corley and the few he faced early on.

Like I said before, Manny got mind screwed by JMM in their 3rd fight and couldn't even cut off the ring. Couldn't even land combinations and was forcing **** all off balance. Floyd will box this dudes sox off and I will just end this debate on what Roach himself said. "We would have to have the perfect game plan and Manny will have to fight the perfect fight to beat Mayweather." :hi:

 

Well in that 3rd fight manny wasnt focused but he still did well yall puting a 100 on 10 with that....but floyd one shot is faster and PINPOINT!!! And floyd has NEVER faced a fast and awarked southpaw but zab WHICH WASN'T REALLY AWARKED and we saw what happen before zab gased!!!

 

Seems like floyd fans have more confidence in him then he does now SR saying he can't get the fight when he CLEARLY said before the rios fight he wanted floyd to fight manny..now he beat rios he can't get the fight GTFOH!!!

 

Sr doesn't determine who Floyd fights. Also out of the two there is only one guy who signed a contract to fight and that was Floyd back in 09. If he wasn't confident then he wouldn't have signed but we all know who pulled out back then.

 

judah was the one countering floyd, what were you watching?

he was leading against ortiz what were you watching? listen how many times that "lead right hand landing" was mentioned.

when attacked, he shelled up or moved away, thats not countering.

against guerrero, same thing, lead rights. shelled up or moved when attacked, very seldom you saw him countered robert.

first you said it is floyd offense that pac needs to watch out.

now you go back to floyd countered all his opponents inc southpaws. hmm.

floyd gets offensive against southpaws, which plays to pac's strength. this is not up for argument. watch his fights against southpaws.

roach " floyds legs are gone...":deal

 

You can try and twist **** all you want. I asked, how does Manny handle Floyd's offense bc guys like you tend to just focus on Manny's offense when trying to break this fight down. We know Floyd is known for shutting down guys offense bc he has done it damn near every time out. Countering is part of his offense and he countered against everyone he has faced including all Southpaws.

Its funny too bc Floyd still holds these Southpaws to low connect % just like everyone else he faces. For the last time Floyd doesn't struggle with Southpaws and the numbers don't lie. Hell Floyd held Judah to 18% total connect and Corley to 23%. What we do know is that Manny has struggled against guys who give him movement and has been outboxed by lesser fighters than Mayweather.

Judah got dominated and landed 18% total punches yet you keep bringing him up. :rofl

Held Guerrero to 19% as well while landing at a high level. Like I said Manny would have to shut down Floyd's offense in order to beat him and your response is basically, Manny's offense is his defense and that my friend is why Manny will lose.

 

so now judah got dominated, by countering?

 

I never said that. See what you are trying to do is pick and choose certain part of Floyd's game and take them away in order to try and prove a point of being right but the problem is Floyd uses and shows every part of his arsenal every time out. He counters in every fight including Southpaws and he lowers his opponents punch out put and connect % including Southpaws. He also throw leads right hands, jabs up high and low in every fight.

Once again how does Manny deal with Floyd's offense bc we know Floyd can shut down guys offense?

 

my point is floyd gets specially offensive against southpaws, which plays to the strength of pac where he doesnt need to chase his opponent around. thats it.

whether floyd shuts down his opponents with his offense is immaterial to me.

i would prefer an offensive guy vs. a defensive one against pac.

pac offense vs. any other offense, id choose pac.

people would express their opinion that pac is easy work for floyd and everyone is supposed to agree with it like it is set in stone.

i say, this diluted version of pac vs. floyd on trt is 50/50. offense vs. offense. forget abouth floyd counterring pac, because he wont.

without trt, floyd is sitting duck for pac, even the diluted version. remember, floyd is pushing 38 next yr. he needs his trt that only usada can provide.

the "steroids" version of pac accdg to floyd, pac by a beat down.

floyd admitted this as such, " why he is walking down cotto? mosley couldnt walk down cotoo...blah blah blah".

i take floyd's own words over any other.