Jim Corbett vs Joe Frazier

It is as well to remember that Frazier was a slow starter, so an early blow out is unlikely. Around the 7th I think Frazier gets home with a body shot to slow down /or floor Corbett ,and then its coffee and cake time for him.

 

The Joe Frazier slow start has taken on the mythical proportions that Jose Napoles eye cuts have. Napoles cut after a long hard career and Frazier's slow start was slow only by Frazier's standards. It's because of the way he accelerated from 3 onwards that people mention the slow start and it's true - but his first 2 rounds were still faster than most. I'm sure Bob Foster and Manuel Ramos would agree. But also, watch the first round of his bouts with Jerry Quarry I and George Chuvalo. I just don't see Corbett dealing with that buzzsaw style. There is no comparing his fight with Jeff, who was a more plodding clubber in the Chuvalo vein, which gives Corbett time to set and box. Over 15 rounds I would pick Corbett over Jeff and George, but not Joe. I stand by 2 rounds and it's over.

 

What about John L Sullivan, Peter Jackson and Jeffries. There were three big guys who could really bang.

Throw in Choynski, Fitzsimmons and Sharkey and you have three big hitters who could probably hit as hard as most 200lb guys (arguably but not necessarilly Joe Frazier).

When you throw in world class fighters like Kilrain, william miller and McCoy, Corbett really does have an underated resume.

Admitttedly he was sometimes caught late by these guys, but when he was at his best, he outboxed virtually all of them in the early rounds (ie first 15).

By the way, this is a little off topic, but here is a very young (pre title) Jim Corbett's training resume.

http://cdnc.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/cdnc?a=...88-en--20--41-byDA-txt-txIN-jim+corbett-----#

 

Sullivan was finished ,he shouldn't have lasted as long as he did, he just wore himself out swinging at thin air and chasing Corbett around.

Jackson went into the fight with a sprained ankle and a cold. I don't consider him a top line puncher.If he and Corbet threw the amount of punches Frazier did, they would not have gone 20 rds let alone 61.

Jeffries was not a pressure fighter against Corbett, he never brought the intensity and relentless forward propulsion that Frazier did, he reacted to what you threw .Frazier did not, he just threw, oblivious to what you were doing.

Sharkey was a big lhvy really and without science,he gave Corbett hell.

Choynski was a middle and not as experienced as Corbett when they fought, he also had durability issues.

Fitz kod Corbett with one body shot, he was nearly 50lbs lighter than Frazier, and a trap -setting, methodical, sharpshooter not a ducking ,bobbing, swarmer who threw a high volume of punches.
I doubt Kilrain would see the end of three rounds with Frazier.
The McCoy fight was a fix. Miller I don't know.

I rate Corbett but think this is a bad match -up for him stylistically.

 

yikes

 

Joe Frazier would destroy Corbett. Prolonged beat down. I can't believe this is a debate. The most overrated Classic fighter ever.

 

Frazier is made for Corbett, notice how Corbett turns his head and holds his chin high when his opponent is punching him? Corbett would be turned toward the Frazier hook allowing him to see it and avoid it with his "throw his hands up" defense. Thought I would throw it out before one of the old timer fanatics on here did. One look at the video convinces me that Corbett couldn't beat a guy who punches the heavy bag at lunch at the local YMCA, much less Joe Frazier. Corbett wouldn't last 15 seconds.

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Frazier started quick in this one....looks like he is fighting a Marciano clone.

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I got nothing but respect for Zyglewicz, he lost in the first, but he took some liver shots that not many could take. I don't know how long it lasted but Zyglewicz probably took 7-8 good liver shots, a number of nice right uppercuts that he probably didn't see, and too many left hooks to the head to count...

 

Does remind me of a Marciano clone lol. Joe lands a beautiful right uppercut at the end there.
And yea Corbett doesnt see the 3rd at the very best possible outcome for him

 

Corbett's defence against Jeffries left hook in their second fight consisted of turning his body to one side and catching the blow with the left glove when it was launched ,the first time Jeffries tried for the body with a power shot, [the 2nd rd] Corbett employed it and it failed dismally,Jeffries burying his fist into Corbett's mid riff and flooring him.The referee Ed Grainey gave Corbett the benefit of a long count but he never really shook off that punch.Frazier had the ability To fire and reload his hook like a machine gun, it just kept coming. Frazier's attack was much more intense and in your face than Jeffries more leisurely trundle forward.Corbett would find Joe on his chest before he knew where he was.
Without the firepower to gain Joe's respect , Corbett would have his belly ripped out in this fight .Early shower!

 

Frazier by late stoppage.

Don't even see a case for Corbett

 

I don't think that's accurate. Corbett seems to have been coming on stronger when the second fight was stopped, and the reports are pretty all over the place as to how it was going before then.
Corbett was struggling at the end of their first fight, but he underestimated Sharkey and fought a stupid fight of wrestling and in fighting.

 

I've altered my opinion on this recently, I now think an early night is likely .