Gimme 5 names you would fancy over 1973 Foreman.

Foreman had been heavy (over 300 pounds) for so long that it didn't feel right under 240. He would have had to become acclimated with that weight again. He
never did so he just stayed above 250.

 

Well Lewis has a glass jaw and would be too tentative to move forward. Foreman would run right over him.
I feel Bowe was a better fighter than Lewis just didn't have the dedication but when he was prepaired I feel he had more tools and was a better fighter.

 

H2H I don't think you can.

Only two boxers I'd make favourite is Ali & Holmes. Maybe Louis.

 

1. Ali
2. Lewis
3. Vitali Klitschko
4. Liston
5. Tyson
6. Holmes

 

I'd love to see what Toney from the Holyfield fight could pull off.

 

Nah... GF would body punch the hell outta Toney, and walk through him with his jab.

 

Foreman got down into the mid 230's at his lowest, & was not really overweight there. But felt best not much over 250. He would have been 230 or so in his 1st career, Dick Sadler insanely wanted him to come in lighter/dehydrated. His structure & natural power was larger than those who got his size with weights (let alone PEDs). It was not so much that he could not overpower the larger heavies-tended to be true if they were top contenders-due to weight & strength, but his speed & mobility was pretty limited then.

 

That is reasonable that he could not acclimate, without the ability to physically overpower his opponents in the strength department his psyche seemed affected so he went back up in weight.

Based off of your thoughts on Foreman weight and coming down would you think that this was the same issue with Jim Jeffries when he trimmed from over 330 down to 227 to fight Jack Johnson?

 

I wish I could get a house and bet my mortgage on Ali! Toughest Heavy ever.
The Foreman of the Ali fight beats Dempsey, Schmeling, Louis, Lewis,
imo. Bowe, Tyson, Louis, Liston could do it, but honestly I believe
Ali is the only one. The first Peralta fight, Foreman was green against
a cagey, fiesty veteran and Jimmy Young got the win.
Jimmy Young as well might have always had Foreman's number,
a slick, tough, old school dude from Philly who knew how to survive.

 

First version of Foreman

ALI
Holmes
Tyson
Lewis
Tokyo Douglas
Eddie machen (wild card)

Old Foreman

Razor Ruddock
Frank Bruno
Old Larry Holmes
Mike Tyson
Henry Akinwande
Frans Botha (wild card)

 

Yes, what Sadler did was a bit crazy! No water. WHAT? Dehydrating the fighter seems odd.

 

Yes it is odd for fighter in a class with no weight limit and a trainer as experienced as Sadler because it is highly unlikely that it is true. Foreman in his prime as 220+- and even in the 70's trainers knew the importance of hydration for a fighters energy. Furthermore unlike today fighters actually trained down to their fighting weights without dehydrating and rehydrating like they do today. In fact I never heard of that until the 80's the rare times it happened were becase a fighter was overweight by a pound or two and then got in a sauna etc...to shed the few pounds.

 

Trainers usually knew these basic things like hydration, but that in itself is not evidence that an eccentric one would not do something studpid. FOreman varied from the 2 teens to 232, just from weights of his I saw listed. Not everyone is fully rational, & some overtrain for an "edge" & lose energy. If Foreman did not gas against Ali-he later claimed he felt a drink was poisoned & he felt sluggish early-that I am skeptical about-he would not have been so (too) reserved against Young, cagey or not a peak & unreserved FOreman takes Young.

Foreman's religious experience after that loss was precipitated by severe dehydration. If he was receiving proper fluids I do not see this happening. Louis dehydrated against Conn, not wanting to be over 200 & seen beating up a "little" guy, & somehow pulled it out. But Chappie was furious.

 

Foreman has made this known a long time ago about what Saddler would do about the water thing.

 

I have no doubt says this I highly doubt it is true again as I have stated in other posts Foreman is a con. Sadler was an experienced trainer and knew the implications.