breaking down this heavyweight era and others: Why today stinks!!

*yawn*

even reading a thread about the klitschkos and this eras attrocious heavyweight division makes me sleepy.

 

The Klits literally make this guy lose sleep at night.

 

When Muhamad Ali was 36 years old he lost his title to Leon Spinks who happened to have 8 professional fights on his resume at the time. When Klitschko was 36 he convincingly outboxed David Haye.

Holmes' era was pretty much alphabet titles springing up all over the place like toadstools, more champions than you could shake a stick at and they never fought each other.

If somebody bothered to go back and read back issues of various boxing magazines "the heavyweight division sucks" sentiment came out about the same time the Old Testament did and has been around every day since then. All of this "heavyweight division sucks" is absolutely nothing new. Except today fighters can't fight under three or four different aliases. Sal and Vito don't meet you in the locker room and tell you if you're going to win or not. If you're blind in one eye and can't pass a pre-fight medical exam you're probably not going to fight. The old times aren't as great as what many people chose to believe.

 

Mathematical!

Now can someone explain what the **** does averaging the ratings of fighters after they fought said fighter prove?

 

The HW division has more often than not been in a "bad era".

Everything was better "back then" when you are looking through Nostalgic glasses.

The Klits will go down in History just like the greats of the past. Some people can accept it while others like the OP lose sleep over it.

 

True they were saying the 90's era sucked as well. Holyfield was seen as too small and a weak champion, Bowe was a waste of talent and Lewis was nothing other than a big guy with a good right hand.

The Klitschko era can only be judged fairly once it has passed. The era that follows may very well decide how this current era is viewed. The 80's was bad and is still regarded as bad due to the depth of the era before it and the era after it were great periods for the heavyweights.

I will add that this era has had a lack of great fights at heavyweight, especially in regards to the big fights. People may have said the 70's and 90's era sucked at the time but there were great fights, "The Rumble in the Jungle", "The Thriller in Manilla", the Bowe/Holyfield trilogy, Lewis/Mercer, Ibeabuchi/Tua and many more.

This era we had Wlad/Haye, Wlad/Povetkin these big fights simply didn't compare in terms of entertainment value and this is what may really damage the long term view of the quality of this era. A new generation of fans will go back and watch these great fights I can't imagine many new fans in the future going back to watch Wlad/Haye or Wlad/Povetkin.

 

Using stats in a sport like boxing is very misleading most of the time. That being said, all you need is a pair of functioning eyes, a few active brain cells and an objective point of view to know that the division is poor in terms of top talent, is very poor depth wise and really lacks any excitement or real entertainment value. The division has regressed. And it's obvious. It is cyclical though, as seen throughout history. It is bound to improve....in my lifetime hopefully.

 

Clearly you spent no time in creating your formulas to clearly state the obvious in saying this era doesnt stack up as well as the 70' or 90's. Great job Captain Obvious!!!But really your end goal is to go after 2 fighters you cant stand to see succeed.

I am wiliing to bet this is not the only forum you posted your conspiracy theories on.

 

When did Vitali last fight yet he's still the champ.

When did wlad last fight without a biased ref who allows all of the hugging?

This allows them to beat fighters because of their height and weight, not skills.
Plus they cherrypick.

 

:good and to others of like sentiment.

Current/modern HWs would slaughter 70s, 80s, and most 90s HWs, LL being the exception. Lewis was the first very talented big man of the modern HW era.

Just b/c some big name fights were competitive back in the day or seen as more "entertaining" has no logical bearing on how good this era stacks up to others. Two mediocre amateur fighters might make a competitive and even entertaining fight. So what? A top pro would blast them out easily... or carry them to a boring lopsided UD :deal

Another point is that the nostalgia crowd cherry picks the top fights of the era they want to hype. Many HW fights from the 90s and back were bore fests. And even among the exciting fights between two 50s-90s era HWs, it doesn't imply they would defeat today's HWs.

By his mid 30s Ali was getting gift decisions (vs Norton III) and losing to a CW. Wlad in his mid 30s was comfortably beating live HWs who would easily defeat most of the smallish 80s (or big oafs) and prior HWs.

D Haye, Povetkin, etc would beat just about any HW from a generation ago. Truth is the recent to current HW era is the first one of global competition. Never ceases to amuse me how many fans out there have their undies in a bunch :| over the K bros :yep

If, like the OP, you don't like the HW div why not follow another sport or focus on another boxing div? Or is your life so empty :-(

 

Holmes lost to a lightheavyweight and a lot of bums.......

Vitali or Vlad would beat Joe Louis easily. Joe Louis had the bum of the month club. Was knocked out more than once..............Klitschkos would have beaten Marciano, yet Marciano knocked Joe Louis out. Marciano only weighed 185, was approx. 5 feet 10 inches tall...............

When Lewis fought he was bigger than his opponents, yet I did not hear anyone complain about his being bigger being unfair.

Bowe was also 6 feet 5 inches tall, yes no one complained about his size advantage..............double standard...........Golota ended his career........

Ali was 6 feet 3 inches tall, but I never heard anyone complain about his fighting smaller fights like Jerry Quarry won was only 5 feet 10, of how about the small fighter Henry Cooper, and so many more.

Mike Weaver would not have had a chance against a Klitschko. Holmes would have been knocked out easily, Renaldo Snips put Holmes on the canvas, almost knocked him out, yet Snipes could not fight worth a damned.........Mike Dokes? LOL! Tim Witherspoon? LOL! Yes, Vitali and Vlad keep beating up your heroes, so you make things up in your head.

Lennox Lewis was knocked out cold by Rahman, not a TKO but a KO and TKO's by McCall! Beaten up by Mercer, Mavrovich a small person who was actually sick. Lewis beat Botha? LOL! WOW!

It does not matter how good the Klitschkos are, the haters will always hate them and I know the "REAL" reason of such hate.....................

As far as holding, watch Vlad. Vs. Wach, Vlad Vs. Thompson, Vlad, Vs. Jefferson, Vlad Vs. Pianeta, Vlad Vs. Brock, Vlad Vs. Austin, I have all of Vlad and Vitali's fights on tape..................I can find bad things about any fighter.................